#OccupyVancouver

words fail me.

seems that what started as a great thing with everybody's best interest at heart threatens to be abused by the mouthiest among us who seem to have the most time on their hands - cannabis pushers and marijuana party activists.

pls stop David Malmo-Levine from hijacking the movement to promote his cannabis pushing agenda.

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You fail to answer any of the questions in the other thread:

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To the unbiased observer, being unable to answer those questions means that you're the one pushing the unscientific agenda. You're the one hijacking the movement with your pro-drugwar bias.

The forum rules clearly state that "personal attacks and spam will not be tolerated"

Please quit your personal attacks against me and stick to a factual discussion, otherwise I will ask the moderator to moderate you.

this is not a personal attack, this is a cry for help.

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You called me a "pusher" without evidence I'm doing any "pushing" of anything or anything other than using facts and reason to persuade. You called me "mouthy" even though you've posted more than I have. You've accused me of attempting to "hijack" the movement when all I'm doing is engaging in a process where everyone's pet projects can be harmonized.

Your "cry from help" seems indistinguishable from a personal attack.

I think people have a right to express their views about marijauna legalization, in defense of David. In defense of Emily, I personally don't believe it is the biggest issue of concern either. It is one issue among many axes to grind. There are many people who strongly believe in the legalization of marijauna for good reason. However, I personally feel we should be focused on finding ways for public monitoring and scrutiny of government-corporate business dealings that influence so many of the individual issues. However, I won't push this view any further if noone wants to discuss it.

david, this is not really about you, for all i know you could be an honest, misguided peon in somebody else's game.

what speaks louder than words is the fact that you have supplemented and/or adjusted almost every demand thus far as per people's comments except the two drug legalizing demands.

finally, if you read carefully my original post you'll see that i didn't call you personally mouthy, and i didn't say that you are hijacking the movement to push your cannabis agenda - you said that here:





i wholeheartedly agree suzie, but i find it difficult to continue past people who are pushing their own agenda. they really are no different from ultra-rich bank CEO's - "from everybody's pocket to mine".


there is an equal number of the ones that don't and for a good reason too.

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We all have biases but that is besides the point. What we want is tolerance and understanding for people of all backgrounds be it a cannabis activist, environmentalist, mental health (well we don't even have a name for someone who wants to reduce the stigma related to those with mental illness), harm reductionists and even those small ethical business owners. Cannabis users deserve to be included in this movement and calling people like David and myself hijacking the movement isn't productive. I am not an activist but 99% includes those who use all drugs not just marijuana.

Ending the drug war is very important to ending corruption, harm to drug users and over crowded jail populations that do nothing but cost tax payers lots of money. The only way to end violence, murder and poor people going to jail, we need to end the drug war, not just against marijuana but all. Legalization won't increase any type of drug use within youth but rather reduce it. I used drugs because alcohol wasn't as easily accessible and even today, I don't use alcohol, too harmful. I use lots of the other drugs however. We are here, we are part of the 99%, get used to it. Agenda, seriously, everything has an agenda, what matters is how do we bring science and evidence based policies into the new system. For example, Insite being in all major cities in Canada that not only should have supervised injection sites but have prescription available to addicts, needle exchanges, substitution prescription, smoking rooms for crack users along with wet housing (housing for addicts). Not only should cannabis users be thought of in these talks but so should addicts. They need support and love, not zero tolerance as the bill plans to introduce even more then was already present in our already failed prohibition system. Let's legalize everything and use those funds for education, policing the bad drug dealers and healthcare. There are ethical drug dealers just as there are ethical business owners.

We are all drug users be it alcohol, tobacco, cocaine or Ayahuasca.

Have a great day!

to supplement my previous post (since my suggestion to replace legalizing with decriminalizing for now has been dismissed) i suggest that drug demands be taken off the list for now.

i believe that we have a much bigger fish to fry and the drug demand can be settled at a later date.

i apologize David if my posts offended you personally, that was not my intention.

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But drug demands are one of the core issues and as millions end up in jail when they don't hurt anyone. How can this not be important?