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[extralegs2000]

Gentlemen: place your bets: How long do you think Israel can survive in its present form? 50 years? Do I hear 50? 40? 30? No?
Didn't think so. There are no takers. All bets are off, for the future is certain.
I have been saying this and saying this for years and years. I saw it coming miles and miles away, and a very long time ago. And now it is finally happening, as of NOW! TO-DAY!
And THIS time, nobody needs to take my word for it. Just click on this link and start reading:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... we-know-it
Get the picture yet? Matlock?
Stupid dumb idiotic Zionists! It is no challenge at all to defeat them. Think you can take me on, do you? Well, you're on. Our ambitions are a lot greater than the defeat of a handful of Zionists.
And that article doesn't even mention Iran. Once Iran gets nukes, the whole picture changes again.
I'd say Israel hasn't a hope in hell of survival.

[Romero]

"I've been saying the end is near for Israel for years and years".

"It is no challenge at all to defeat them". So what are you waiting for?

[Jack]

LOL, his trolling is getting worse, with every day.

[Berry Sweet]

[extralegs2000]

I hope you folks realize what is coming. If you knew any Islamic history, you can predict it. The Radical Islamists are going to take every weapon that Israel possesses: from the nukes, to the tanks and planes, and down to every last Uzi. They'll take it all. That is how they operate and that is what they have done in the past. There is a pattern of conquest. History repeats itself. There was an immense castle call Crac Des Chevaliers, built by the Christian Crusaders. You can still see the ruins to-day in Syria. This was a massive fortification, the greatest, strongest fort ever built. Those Christians were determined to impose their will upon us. But not determined enough. The Sultan Baybars took it by right of conquest. He killed all the Christian knights and then appropriated the whole castle and pressed it into the service of Islam.
Then the fun will begin. Islam will be a heavily armed Superpower; just like the days of Old.
Then we will turn all of Palestine into one gigantic mosque. For Islam AND ONLY for Muslims. The Jews can convert, or leave, or remain under our domination, or die. Then Jerusalem will become the capital of the new empire. Just to prove a point. Just to prove our total victory over the forces of Zionism.
The best-case scenario for Israel is that they dis-mantle that apartheid state and have a bi-national state for two peoples. They should be praying that this is what will come about, for anything else will be truly catastrophic for Israel. But even that scenario is now unlikely. There is too much mis-trust and ill feeling in the whole region against Israel.
If the Jews think that we Muslims are their enemies, then let them go to their friends: THE CHRISTIANS!

[extralegs2000]

You doubt that this will be done? Then doubt no longer. Look at the facts. The holiest, most sacred shrine and spot in all of Judaism is the Temple Mount, or the site of Solomon's Temple. It is now a mosque: Al Aqsa, or the Dome of the Rock. The Muslims just took it for Islam, and the Jews were expelled to worship at the Wailing Wall. Understand?? This is equivalent to, and of the same order of magnitude as, turning the Vatican into a mosque--which will one day happen--or building a synagogue at the Kaaba--which will never happen. This is Islamic conquest.
Clearly, this pattern will repeat itself. It is coming for sure.

[GAMBINO]

gas em

[Jack]

I hope you folks realize what is coming.

yep! the demise of Islam.

[Romero]

The Jews can convert, or leave, or remain under our domination, or die. Then Jerusalem will become the capital of the new empire. Just to prove a point. Just to prove our total victory over the forces of Zionism.

But what you're saying is also what you claim the Zionists are doing. So this is your objective? To become just like Zionists?

[J0E]

I hope you folks realize what is coming. If you knew any Islamic history, you can predict it. The Radical Islamists are going to take every weapon that Israel possesses: from the nukes, to the tanks and planes, and down to every last Uzi. They'll take it all. That is how they operate and that is what they have done in the past. There is a pattern of conquest. History repeats itself.

..yeah, but does that mean Islam will line up behind this radical version of their religion?

If history is any indication, I'd say No. Because you always fail to mention the numerous times in which Muslims themselves have gone to War against each other. The recent and glaring example was the Iran-Iraq war, which left no fewer than 1,000,000 soldiers on both sides dead.

Then you don't mention the schism which took place in Islam's early years in which the Abbysid and Umayad rulers went to war against each other.

Somehow, I think Islam would bloody itself good and hard first, before it got its act together and inflicted its actions upon the Infidels.

You really live in the past, and you think that that Islam will have some Mohammed strong man who will unite all Muslims and they'll all agree lock step and tandem.

But this isn't 800 AD, in which a united Islam launched an attack on Europe, sent its armies up against Charles Martel.

Islam appears to have its own demons, and a great deal of resistence within - among those who aren't terribly fond of the fundamentalist, want nothing to do with them.

How do you reconcile the present divisions within your chosen religion?

[extralegs2000]

No: Islam will not necessarily line up behind this radical version of their religion. But the radicals will form a small hard-core elite contingent that will influence things profoundly. Many will look to them as the true Muslims.
The Iran-Iraq war was set up by the West. Saddam was their man, sent to weaken a radical Iran. And yes, it was a catastrophe for Iran--and for Iraq: One million dead.
Although there are apparent divisions, there are also many attempts at unity of all Muslims. OPEC is one. The OIC is another: the Organization of Islamic Co-Operation of 57 countries here: http://www.oic-oci.org/home.asp.
No, this isn't 800 A.D. and Islam is not the power now that it was then: It is in fact much more powerful than that!!! That's right, yes, you read that correctly. Islam right now is at its peak. It is stronger than at any time since the 7th Century. And they're going to get a lot more powerful. Look ten years down the road and what do you see? Islam is undergoing a period of very rapid growth and expansion, and on all fronts.

[YVR Man]

One of the most not-so-secret secret military contingency plans on earth is that of Israel in response to an outside nuclear attack. It's called the 'Samson Option'.
Samson was one of Israel's judges to whom God had granted superhuman strength, provided he kept his vows as a Nazarite, which included sobriety, chastity and not cutting his hair.

The story of Samson and Delilah is among the most well-known in the Bible. Samson violated his vow, Delilah tricked him into cutting his hair, and Samson was captured by the Philistines.

Samson was blinded and he was chained between two massive pillars. He prayed for the strength to bring down the pillars, killing himself along with his enemies.

"And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein." (Judges 16:30)

Hence, the 'Samson Option' is not just a codename for Israel's nuclear response strategy. It is a warning.

It is intended to convey Israel's determination to take its enemies with it, should they attempt the nuclear destruction of the Jewish state.

Israel has enough nuclear weapons to turn the Middle East into a radioactive Sea of Glass, and it wants to leave no doubt as to its willingness to use them. [/b]
contd....

[YVR Man]

In essence, the 'Samson Option' is a code phrase for a nuclear 'scorched earth' policy, even if it means Israel is destroyed in the process.

The 'Samson Option' is often characterized as being part of Israel's overall 'Masada Complex.'

The 'Masada Complex' refers to another seminal moment in Jewish history, when some three hundred Jewish rebels held off the legions of Rome in a siege that dragged on for three years.

The rebels had fled to Herod's southern palace on Masada, a finger of rock jutting 1300 feet straight up from the desert floor.

The Romans eventually constructed a ramp and breached the Jewish defenses. The defending Jews chose to commit suicide rather than submitting to capture. They burned the complex, but left one storehouse full of food intact.

They wanted the Romans to know that they had plenty of food and water to demonstrate their suicide was an act of defiance rather than one of desperation.

The liberal left seems to have adopted its own version of the Masada Complex as a deliberate part of its political strategy, apparently balancing short term political gain against long term national strategic damage and concluding it a worthwhile exchange.

Contd....

[YVR Man]

All the usual suspects came out recently following Al Gore's unhinged speech slamming the US government as a 'grave danger' to world peace.

Gore told his audience, “As we begin this new year, the executive branch of our government has been caught eavesdropping on huge numbers of American citizens . . . without regard to the established law enacted by Congress precisely to prevent such abuses. . . etc., blah, blah."

The NSA doesn't eavesdrop on 'huge numbers' of American citizens. It eavesdrops on EVERYBODY. Every phone call is intercepted electronically, but only those that use certain trigger words get further scrutiny.

During the "what did the president know and when did he know it?" campaign, the left was screaming because the NSA didn't have enough people analyzing eavesdrops.

Now, according to Gore, the US government was 'caught' eavesdropping! If what Gore’s really trying to say is that the American people have learned of the fact that the NSA, under orders from the Commander in Chief, has been carrying out a top secret anti-terror snooping program, he’s absolutely right.

(That's what Congress authorized when it gave the president the authority to fight the war on terror.)

Gore also attacked the government's war detainee policies, claiming, “the president has also declared that he has a heretofore unrecognized inherent power to seize and imprison any American citizen that he alone determines to be a threat to our nation,” adding that “No such right exists in the America that you and I know and love. It is foreign to our Constitution.”

Contd...

[YVR Man]

As noted earlier, Gore has either become completely unhinged or is woefully ignorant of US history. FDR imprisoned tens of thousands of Japanese-Americans in internment camps during WWII. Nobody considered his impeachment.

He can't be ignorant of the fact that the Clinton-Gore administration defended the use of warrant less searches (including physical searches) as vigorously as it defended its right to invade Yugoslavia in defiance of both the UN and the US Congress.

That only leaves the conclusion that Al Gore is so blinded by his personal Masada Complex that he's lost his mind. The problem is, Gore's Masada Complex is shared by most of his Democratic co-religionists.

(It has become a Democratic article of faith that one can tear down one's government without damaging one's country.)

John Kerry made the talk shows to defend Gore's screed from criticism on ABC's "This Week" program, saying, "What he's (Rove) trying to pretend is somehow Democrats don't want to eavesdrop appropriately to protect the country. That's a lie," Kerry said.

"We're prepared to eavesdrop wherever and whenever necessary in order to make America safer." (How's that again?)

(In December, Kerry made an equally silly argument on CBS' "Face the Nation" telling the host that American forces were "going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- of -- the historical customs, religious customs. . . ," before pausing to remind the host helpfully that "Iraqis should be doing that.")

Evidently, the Masada Complex can not only unhinge politicians, it deafens journalists. (Nobody questioned Kerry's criticism of the administration by saying the Democrats were prepared to do exactly the same thing. Or wondered why it was ok for Iraqis to terrorize "kids and children, you know, women.")

contd...

[YVR Man]

Just as nobody connected the dots when Osama bin-Laden made all the same points-- in the same order -- as the DNC's anti-Bush 'talking points' memos in his recent video release. He was reading from a familiar script; an unwinnable war, a divided public, a desperate military and a dishonest government. bin-Laden was so encouraged by these comments that he ticked them off before dictating his terms for a US surrender.

It would therefore seem that providing such clear and obvious aid and comfort to the enemy is not an impeachable offense in the left's view, whereas making war against him just might be.

Israel's 'Samson Option' is a logical extension of the 'Masada Complex'. When the situation is desperate enough to consider national suicide as a viable political option, the 'Samson Option' of pulling the house down on yourself in order to get your enemies doesn't sound that extreme.

The Left is fond of quoting Ben Franklin; "They who give up a little essential liberty in exchange for some temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."

Allowing the NSA to intercept terrorist communications makes no demands on America's essential liberties. And defeating al-Qaeda hardly qualifies as 'temporary' security.

The Al Gore wing of American politics has already embraced the Samson Option. No price is too high to pay if it will bring down the administration, even if it means blinding the NSA and re-imposing the same restrictions on intelligence gathering that they once blamed for al-Qaeda's success on September 11.

Wrote the Washington Post in June, 2002, "The National Security Agency intercepted two messages on the eve of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon warning that something was going to happen the next day, but the messages were not translated until Sept. 12, senior U.S. intelligence officials said yesterday."

In 2002, the liberals complained because there weren't enough translators to listen to all the conversations the NSA was gathering. "More than the CIA, the NSA has been criticized for failing to put sufficient emphasis on employing enough skilled translators and analysts to decipher what it collects.".

In 2006, the left's attack is focused on the same NSA for gathering too much of the information the same way, but evidently, much too efficiently.

If pushed into a corner by its enemies ... Israel will do whatever it can to protect itself ....

[Berry Sweet]

Any religion that pushes others to become like them, and kills others for not becoming like them, etc...in my eyes is evil and not a spiritual religion at all.

I don't believe in "religions" anymore...just faithful, spiritual people who believe and respect God and his laws and wishes....they are amoung the few....

[extralegs2000]

Israel will become like the Christian Crusader Kingdom 'hold-outs'. The kingdoms held out for 200 years, before finally falling to Islam and surrendering. The Crusades against us were a miserable failure; as Israel is going to be.
Watch the video:

[godman_lee]

I hope you folks realize what is coming. If you knew any Islamic history, you can predict it. The Radical Islamists are going to take every weapon that Israel possesses: from the nukes, to the tanks and planes, and down to every last Uzi. They'll take it all. That is how they operate and that is what they have done in the past. There is a pattern of conquest. History repeats itself. There was an immense castle call Crac Des Chevaliers, built by the Christian Crusaders. You can still see the ruins to-day in Syria. This was a massive fortification, the greatest, strongest fort ever built. Those Christians were determined to impose their will upon us. But not determined enough. The Sultan Baybars took it by right of conquest. He killed all the Christian knights and then appropriated the whole castle and pressed it into the service of Islam.
Then the fun will begin. Islam will be a heavily armed Superpower; just like the days of Old.
Then we will turn all of Palestine into one gigantic mosque. For Islam AND ONLY for Muslims. The Jews can convert, or leave, or remain under our domination, or die. Then Jerusalem will become the capital of the new empire. Just to prove a point. Just to prove our total victory over the forces of Zionism.
The best-case scenario for Israel is that they dis-mantle that apartheid state and have a bi-national state for two peoples. They should be praying that this is what will come about, for anything else will be truly catastrophic for Israel. But even that scenario is now unlikely. There is too much mis-trust and ill feeling in the whole region against Israel.
If the Jews think that we Muslims are their enemies, then let them go to their friends: THE CHRISTIANS!

extralegs2000 I am happy to report will burn in a lake of fire for all eternity.

If you have not yet tasted the only religion that is true now is your chance. I f you do not abandon your wayward moslem fake religion and turn IMMEDIATLY to Christ Our Lord and Saviour, then all hope for you is lost.

Israel is strong Israel is the land where Our Lord took flesh. Those like you who do not know this will burn forever.

The moslem holy book is a pack of lies and inventions. Islam will fall. You just watch and see.

[Blurt]

Heh. Careful there, Mr. Lee... Master El will put a spell on you!

[extralegs2000]

Heh. Careful there, Mr. Lee... Master El will put a spell on you!

Not for that, I won't. He is a clown and a fool. I don't quarrel with clowns and fools. It has to be more serious than that. I have bigger fish to fry. Even the whole of Israel is only a very small fish. Not much of a challenge at all.

[J0E]

Gentlemen: place your bets: How long do you think Israel can survive in its present form? 50 years? Do I hear 50? 40? 30? No?
Didn't think so. There are no takers. All bets are off, for the future is certain.
I have been saying this and saying this for years and years. I saw it coming miles and miles away, and a very long time ago. And now it is finally happening, as of NOW! TO-DAY!
And THIS time, nobody needs to take my word for it. Just click on this link and start reading:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... we-know-it
Get the picture yet? Matlock?
Stupid dumb idiotic Zionists! It is no challenge at all to defeat them. Think you can take me on, do you? Well, you're on. Our ambitions are a lot greater than the defeat of a handful of Zionists.
And that article doesn't even mention Iran. Once Iran gets nukes, the whole picture changes again.
I'd say Israel hasn't a hope in hell of survival.

Geez, your rants just like Hitler and Nazi Germany.

If you're really determined to knock off Israel, the end won't be pretty for its Arab neighbors and Iran either.

The Muslim world has its share of fanatics, but so does as you point out - Israel. If you take them down, they'll take others down too

And they're sitting on a bunch of nukes. So any effort to destroy Israel will likely result in mass destruction for its Arab neighbors - with the entire Middle East turned into a toxic waste dump after a Nuclear War.

Why do you wish for such an outcome?

[extralegs2000]

They're not going to take ANYBODY down. They don't have the power. The damage they can do is severely limited.
Everybody keeps assuming I advocate nuking Israel. I don't. That is a misunderstanding. I said nothing at all about nuking it. But there are a dozen or more ways to defeat Israel other than nukes, or even war. The battle can be waged on many fronts: political, diplomatic, demographic, economic, and so on. Israel can't fight this and win. Not a chance. It can be done by a process of slow erosion and attrition.
Not only am I saying it can be done: I am saying it is INEVITABLE!
There is NO political or other objective to be gained from nukes. And they are quite unnecessary.
Watch the video.

[Gay Boy Bob]

1948, 1956, 1967, 1973.........

[Blurt]

Heh. Careful there, Mr. Lee... Master El will put a spell on you!

Not for that, I won't. He is a clown and a fool. I don't quarrel with clowns and fools.

Please define "clowns" and "fools."

[J0E]

They're not going to take ANYBODY down. They don't have the power. The damage they can do is severely limited.
Everybody keeps assuming I advocate nuking Israel. I don't. That is a misunderstanding. I said nothing at all about nuking it. But there are a dozen or more ways to defeat Israel other than nukes, or even war. The battle can be waged on many fronts: political, diplomatic, demographic, economic, and so on. Israel can't fight this and win. Not a chance. It can be done by a process of slow erosion and attrition.
Not only am I saying it can be done: I am saying it is INEVITABLE!
There is NO political or other objective to be gained from nukes. And they are quite unnecessary.
Watch the video.

There's one ominous foreboding I'm reminded of regarding Iran's future:

Century 1, Quatrain 70

Rain, famine and war in Persia [Iran] will not cease,
A trust too great will betray the monarch;
For the end was planned and conceived in France,
A secret sign for one to be more sparing.

[J0E]

Note the incredible similarity between the two, and the themes in their speech:

[extralegs2000]

Not for that, I won't. He is a clown and a fool. I don't quarrel with clowns and fools.

Please define "clowns" and "fools."

A definition of clown and fool is Lee. Clown and fool defined.
Look on the EL Occult Initiation thread for more of my posts. And some other places. They are very educational.

[extralegs2000]

There's one ominous foreboding I'm reminded of regarding Iran's future:
Century 1, Quatrain 70
Rain, famine and war in Persia [Iran] will not cease,
A trust too great will betray the monarch;
For the end was planned and conceived in France,
A secret sign for one to be more sparing.

Hey, Silly! Can't you figure out what that quatrain is about?? Don't you know the history of Iran? A trust too great will betray the monarch? That clearly refers to the Shah of Iran. He was horribly betrayed by the Americans. He could scarcely believe that such 'bad faith' could exist! For the end was planned and conceived in France! Where did you think the Ayatollah Khomeini was living before the Revolution? IN FRANCE!! He planned the revolt in France. That is where he conceived the rebellion which overthrew the monarch.
This is clear as crystal to anybody who knows anything about the situation.

[Sonny]

There's one ominous foreboding I'm reminded of regarding Iran's future:
Century 1, Quatrain 70
Rain, famine and war in Persia [Iran] will not cease,
A trust too great will betray the monarch;
For the end was planned and conceived in France,
A secret sign for one to be more sparing.

Hey, Silly! Can't you figure out what that quatrain is about?? Don't you know the history of Iran? A trust too great will betray the monarch? That clearly refers to the Shah of Iran. He was horribly betrayed by the Americans. He could scarcely believe that such 'bad faith' could exist! For the end was planned and conceived in France! Where did you think the Ayatollah Khomeini was living before the Revolution? IN FRANCE!! He planned the revolt in France. That is where he conceived the rebellion which overthrew the monarch.
This is clear as crystal to anybody who knows anything about the situation.

So how many extra legs do you really have?