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[soon]

interesting article. the gist of it being, i want it all, i want it all, i want it all, and i want it now. lol

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le2430476/

[Munday]

interesting article. the gist of it being, i want it all, i want it all, i want it all, and i want it now. lol

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le2430476/

no retard.....the gist of it is...i will go where i can make the most for my family.....perfectly reasonable assessment every income earner should make.......for some people being successful is a laudable goal.....for others living off the government is acceptable...i applaud the former

[soon]

soon the average canadian won't be able to afford to live here anymore. yep, greed is good, lol.

[J0E]

Wonder what the impact will be if an ndp government is elected in BC?

They'll raise taxes and a lot of these Chinese will likely sell their real estate go back to China.

Watch the air pop out of the real estate bubble and housing prices plummet in this province.

I think we're in for a major correction in housing prices if the NDP comes in.

[Shen Li]

interesting article. the gist of it being, i want it all, i want it all, i want it all, and i want it now. lol

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le2430476/

no retard.....the gist of it is...i will go where i can make the most for my family.....perfectly reasonable assessment every income earner should make.......for some people being successful is a laudable goal.....for others living off the government is acceptable...i applaud the former

Exactly, Mr Munday!! We are a very practical people and this is at the top of the list.

I found this the most telling of the realities for new Chinese immigrants to Canada:

Once seen as a great place to live and work, Canada is increasingly considered by many Chinese more as a great place to retire

[Jugdish Betha]

Yup, enjoy that free ride.

[soon]

my family has been here over 200 years. i couldn't imagine living somewhere else.

[Shen Li]

Yup, enjoy that free ride.

Chinese and free ride?? That is an oxymoron. You must have us confused with the entitled latte-sipping vandals in Quebec.

[ConanDoyle]

stupid Canada is now waking up to Chinese greed

[Hornung]

Members of MMB know what a screw up conspiracy theory f*ck in the head fruit cake you really are ConanDoyle.

[Jugdish Betha]

Yup, enjoy that free ride.

Chinese and free ride?? That is an oxymoron. You must have us confused with the entitled latte-sipping vandals in Quebec.

Let's see.....avoiding taxation by working in another country while retiring in Canada and taking advantage of a superior medical system that you didn't pay in to...sounds to me like someone isn't paying their fair share or are in fact getting a "free ride'.

There are 1,000's of Chinese immigrants and every other group that come to Canada later in life to take advantage of the free medical system. As a policy Canada would be wise to exclude every immigration application for anyone over the age of 50 as they are nothing more than a burden a system that others paid into.

Thanx for comin' out Lucy Lui.....you come to mah camp next year....

PS- checkout the reader comments following the story......

[Berry Sweet]

There are 1,000's of Chinese immigrants and every other group that come to Canada later in life to take advantage of the free medical system. As a policy Canada would be wise to exclude every immigration application for anyone over the age of 50 as they are nothing more than a burden a system that others paid into.

[eugenetswong]

1 thing that bugs me about the article is that people have properties in both countries. I wonder how much of the property in Vancouver is completely unused. For example, if half of it is unused at any given time, then it would be a complete waste of space.

That being said, going to where the work is is a good thing. I heard that, historically, this happens with BC and Ontario. People go back and forth, depending on the economy. When people get better paying jobs, then there is more room at the bottom for those who need the lower paying jobs.

[ConanDoyle]

not about going where the work is but more about going where one can start a new life, work and build a future with respect to that country. This means giving up material things left from "the old country" to become a citizen of the new. You cant have it both ways; you're either a Canadian or you're not. Drop the Chinese-Canadian shtick [example : there is one here who goes by the moniker, CJ-Canadian or Chinese-Japanese Canadian\what an insult to our country] and stop looking for loopholes, ways to rip Canada off.

[Oscar Mayer]

not about going where the work is but more about going where one can start a new life, work and build a future with respect to that country. This means giving up material things left from "the old country" to become a citizen of the new. You cant have it both ways; you're either a Canadian or you're not. Drop the Chinese-Canadian shtick [example : there is one here who goes by the moniker, CJ-Canadian or Chinese-Japanese Canadian\what an insult to our country] and stop looking for loopholes, ways to rip Canada off.

Become a Ukrainian/Canadian instead, Chinese perogies suck anyway. The real coup is to become a Scot/Canadian and keep that
haggis making culture intact.

[Berry Sweet]

Immigrants who own property on different lands should pay more taxes.

[Shen Li]

Chinese and free ride?? That is an oxymoron. You must have us confused with the entitled latte-sipping vandals in Quebec.

Let's see.....avoiding taxation by working in another country while retiring in Canada and taking advantage of a superior medical system that you didn't pay in to...sounds to me like someone isn't paying their fair share or are in fact getting a "free ride'.

There are 1,000's of Chinese immigrants and every other group that come to Canada later in life to take advantage of the free medical system. As a policy Canada would be wise to exclude every immigration application for anyone over the age of 50 as they are nothing more than a burden a system that others paid into.

Thanx for comin' out Lucy Lui.....you come to mah camp next year....

PS- checkout the reader comments following the story......

So you are saying Chinese immigrants are not a net benefit to Canada??

[Jugdish Betha]

Let's see.....avoiding taxation by working in another country while retiring in Canada and taking advantage of a superior medical system that you didn't pay in to...sounds to me like someone isn't paying their fair share or are in fact getting a "free ride'.

There are 1,000's of Chinese immigrants and every other group that come to Canada later in life to take advantage of the free medical system. As a policy Canada would be wise to exclude every immigration application for anyone over the age of 50 as they are nothing more than a burden a system that others paid into.

Thanx for comin' out Lucy Lui.....you come to mah camp next year....

PS- checkout the reader comments following the story......

So you are saying Chinese immigrants are not a net benefit to Canada??

Not at all. Your statement was that Chinese immigrants would never take advantage of a "free ride" when of course there are 1,000's that do. Not all, most immigrants that come to Canada do indeed work here, pay taxes here and are deserving of the services that they pay for. Those that avoid taxation by working overseas or settle in Canada late in life without paying into the system are indeed enjoying a "free ride". The whole family reunification programme is a needless drain on our services and our society. The idea of allowing elderly immigrants from anywhere into this country when they haven't paid a cent towards social services is insanity defined and it is indeed a "free ride" on the Canadian tax payer. There are literally 1,000's of examples of FOB seniors retiring in BC and straining the medical and senior system they never paid into
.
Overall, all immigration, Chinese included has been positive to Canada but your hypothesis that Chinese people would never take a "free ride" is ignorant, biased and uninformed.

[Shen Li]

So you are saying Chinese immigrants are not a net benefit to Canada??

Not at all. Your statement was that Chinese immigrants would never take advantage of a "free ride" when of course there are 1,000's that do. Not all, most immigrants that come to Canada do indeed work here, pay taxes here and are deserving of the services that they pay for. Those that avoid taxation by working overseas or settle in Canada late in life without paying into the system are indeed enjoying a "free ride". The whole family reunification programme is a needless drain on our services and our society. The idea of allowing elderly immigrants from anywhere into this country when they haven't paid a cent towards social services is insanity defined and it is indeed a "free ride" on the Canadian tax payer. There are literally 1,000's of examples of FOB seniors retiring in BC and straining the medical and senior system they never paid into
.
Overall, all immigration, Chinese included has been positive to Canada but your hypothesis that Chinese people would never take a "free ride" is ignorant, biased and uninformed.

HMMMM, in our culture it is common for families to sponsor elderly relatives. Elderly Chinese with no family connections and poor English language skills are not likely to seek life abroad. Are the households they live in a burdern to taxpayers....almost always not. You know who is taking advantage of the system while breaking the law?? Striking sociology majors in Quebec. I say Quebec should make a straight up exchange elderly Chinese with their overachieving families for the cradle to grave burden on society striking students. Nah, no country on earth would go for that.

[Jugdish Betha]

Doesn't matter. Bringing 75 year old Grandma to live with you is still a burden on the Canadian system. There will come a time in the very near future when she will need medical and palliative care that she did not pay into - ergo, the "free ride". It is not a matter of Chinese, French, Italian etc...we don't need Grandma in this country as she is a burden and provides nothing for our country. The fair thing would be for all immigrants above the age of 60 to pay their entire way in Canada. No pensions, no free medical, no free nursing homes - they didn't pay to support it so they sure as shit shouldn't receive any benefits from such programmes. As far as your broad brush statement about the Quebec students, my sister who is in McGill studying law has every right to protest her fee increases - we are allowed to do these things in a democracy. Even with the menial student jobs she has had she has already paid more into the system than 90% of all senior immigrants.

Your opinions seemed to be based on broad assumptions rather than that the facts at hand. It is you that are making the broad generalizations not me.

If you want to visit Grandma buy a plane ticket like most of the hard working Canadians do.

[deletedelete]

Doesn't matter. Bringing 75 year old Grandma to live with you is still a burden on the Canadian system. There will come a time in the very near future when she will need medical and palliative care that she did not pay into - ergo, the "free ride". It is not a matter of Chinese, French, Italian etc...we don't need Grandma in this country as she is a burden and provides nothing for our country. The fair thing would be for all immigrants above the age of 60 to pay their entire way in Canada. No pensions, no free medical, no free nursing homes - they didn't pay to support it so they sure as shit shouldn't receive any benefits from such programmes. As far as your broad brush statement about the Quebec students, my sister who is in McGill studying law has every right to protest her fee increases - we are allowed to do these things in a democracy. Even with the menial student jobs she has had she has already paid more into the system than 90% of all senior immigrants.

Your opinions seemed to be based on broad assumptions rather than that the facts at hand. It is you that are making the broad generalizations not me.

If you want to visit Grandma buy a plane ticket like most of the hard working Canadians do.

excellent point. but that's not the end of it. the quality of life of those people who come here at the age of 75 or even over 60 is very poor unless they can speak english and are somewhat familiar with the culture. if they come just FOB without any ability to understand the language of their new country and all they are brought here to do is really just look after their children children for no compensation short of food and shelter, all in order to help their children save more money - as noble as that is of those parents, it gives them extremely poor quality of life, especially if they can't afford to travel back in the old country at least once a year for several months to "recover" (i.e. spend some quality time with their friends and other family and get back to the old style of life they lived all their lives).. i've heard a lot about that from a friend who works in a non-profit that helps immigrant families and apparently there's a lot of parent and elders abuse in those families.

[deletedelete]

xiao jie, you came to this country very young so you have no clue how hard it is to adapt to a life in a new country. you may think you know it because you've seen your parents struggle (or not) but i'll tell you from the horse's mouth:) - it's bloody hard, and nothing prepares you for it. and older you are harder it gets.

i say this because if that were not the case (you thinking that immigration is like a game of musical chairs) you too would be opposed to people bringing their parents here unless those parents are fully capable of looking after themselves - meaning, unless they are employable.

[Shen Li]

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excellent point. but that's not the end of it. the quality of life of those people who come here at the age of 75 or even over 60 is very poor unless they can speak english and are somewhat familiar with the culture. if they come just FOB without any ability to understand the language of their new country and all they are brought here to do is really just look after their children children for no compensation short of food and shelter, all in order to help their children save more money - as noble as that is of those parents, it gives them extremely poor quality of life, especially if they can't afford to travel back in the old country at least once a year for several months to "recover" (i.e. spend some quality time with their friends and other family and get back to the old style of life they lived all their lives).. i've heard a lot about that from a friend who works in a non-profit that helps immigrant families and apparently there's a lot of parent and elders abuse in those families.

I can tell both you and JB are totally ignorant of Chinese culture which is why you both make such broad inaccurate generalizations. Elderly Chinese(unlike elderly Westerners) are revered. They come here of their own free will so they can be surrounded by loved ones rather than living alone back home. I think elderly lonely Westerners who live in a home with paid strangers changing their adult diapers are the ones with a poor quality of life. The West could learn a lot from the Chinese family system, but most are too stubborn to consider the possibility they could learn from an ancient non-white culture.

JB, if you have numbers to show that Chinese are a burden on taxpayers than show them. If they are, then force families to purchase private medical insurance. It doesn`t matter the cost to most family-oriented Chinese.

[Shen Li]

xiao jie, you came to this country very young so you have no clue how hard it is to adapt to a life in a new country. you may think you know it because you've seen your parents struggle (or not) but i'll tell you from the horse's mouth:) - it's bloody hard, and nothing prepares you for it. and older you are harder it gets.

i say this because if that were not the case (you thinking that immigration is like a game of musical chairs) you too would be opposed to people bringing their parents here unless those parents are fully capable of looking after themselves - meaning, unless they are employable.

DD, you do not understand Chinese filial piety and it shows.

[deletedelete]

as i said, they may come here of their free will but they really have no idea what they are getting themselves into.

[Shen Li]

as i said, they may come here of their free will but they really have no idea what they are getting themselves into.

Yes, they do and that statement is further proof of your ignorance of the Chinese family system. Living here surrounded by loved ones is far and away superior to living alone in China like pathetic elderly Westerners have to endure here.

[deletedelete]

xiao jie, you came to this country very young so you have no clue how hard it is to adapt to a life in a new country. you may think you know it because you've seen your parents struggle (or not) but i'll tell you from the horse's mouth:) - it's bloody hard, and nothing prepares you for it. and older you are harder it gets.

i say this because if that were not the case (you thinking that immigration is like a game of musical chairs) you too would be opposed to people bringing their parents here unless those parents are fully capable of looking after themselves - meaning, unless they are employable.

DD, you do not understand Chinese filial piety and it shows.

i do understand because my culture is the same. still, those parents miss their social life here and no filial piety makes up for that.

[deletedelete]

as i said, they may come here of their free will but they really have no idea what they are getting themselves into.

Yes, they do and that statement is further proof of your ignorance of the Chinese family system. Living here surrounded by loved ones is far and away superior to living alone in China like pathetic elderly Westerners have to endure here.

nothing pathetic about being able to pay for your own upkeep and not burdening your own children with having to change your adult diapers.

not only is it not pathetic, i find it very noble.

[Shen Li]

DD, you do not understand Chinese filial piety and it shows.

i do understand because my culture is the same. still, those parents miss their social life here and no filial piety makes up for that.

Nope, our cultures are not the same and the above statement is proof of that.

[Shen Li]

Yes, they do and that statement is further proof of your ignorance of the Chinese family system. Living here surrounded by loved ones is far and away superior to living alone in China like pathetic elderly Westerners have to endure here.

nothing pathetic about being able to pay for your own upkeep and not burdening your own children with having to change your adult diapers.

not only is it not pathetic, i find it very noble.

DD, you are imposing your own cultural bias. You just don`t get it, for us it`s not a burder looking after elderly relatives...in fact it`s honourable. It`s you Westerners that feel family is a "burden" and you need to be compensated for your responsibilities towards them. This is what I find evil and you find noble about the West.