Good luck job hunting she says....

[Mad Serb]

Happiness, BTW, is THE gauge by which a person's success is measured

Happines is one of the worse gagues there is. How people respond to the question depends on how the question is framed and the state of mind of that person at the moment of questioning and how they feel their position in society is relative to the average. Thus, it may be (not sure if it realy is) that people in Serbia would report themselves to be happier than people in Canada. Yet all the data that show quality of life point that Canadians on average live better than Serbs. (By "data" I mean not size of cars and number of iPods or how people "feel", but the things that most people find important and are measurable - live span, crime rate, education, health, living conditions, job situation, etc)

[Mad Serb]

and earning letters to put after our name, doesn't guarantee anything.

Absolutely, but on average (again) diploma owners are more educated

[mimi]

Happiness, BTW, is THE gauge by which a person's success is measured

YES. =)

[mimi]

and earning letters to put after our name, doesn't guarantee anything.

Absolutely, but on average (again) diploma owners are more educated

rofl....that pretty much goes without saying. =))) But it still guarantees nothing.

[Mad Serb]

Well, very few things in life are guaranteed, people can only increase or decrease probabilities.

[Mad Serb]

The stats are that educated people earn more, live healthier and longer.

Actually, the stats don't say that.

Are you sure? I have read some books that partialy deal with it, at least for US.

[deletedelete]

stats. http://www.commissiononhealth.org/PDF/c ... Health.pdf

mind you, you can find stats to show whatever you want nowadays:)

[GranpaP]

Happiness, BTW, is THE gauge by which a person's success is measured

Happines is one of the worse gagues there is. How people respond to the question depends on how the question is framed and the state of mind of that person at the moment of questioning and how they feel their position in society is relative to the average. Thus, it may be (not sure if it realy is) that people in Serbia would report themselves to be happier than people in Canada. Yet all the data that show quality of life point that Canadians on average live better than Serbs. (By "data" I mean not size of cars and number of iPods or how people "feel", but the things that most people find important and are measurable - live span, crime rate, education, health, living conditions, job situation, etc)

This may be true for those who have lived in penury and wagered their lives on the "having" rather than the "being" aspects of life.

One "has" a career. One "has" a family. One "has" friends, cars, influence, respect and admiration from their peers. But "having" may lead to loss. Then what? Shoot yourself when you lose it all? It is a familiar scenario.

I can't lose my being. My happiness does not hinge on "having", and certainly is not determined by a superficial comparative evaluation of others' stance in society and their posessions.

My happiness is without measure or source; it just IS. And being aware of this makes me even happier.

Those who know me well believe I am a successful person in spite of "having" nothing to my name.

[Blurt]

Yep, but you gotta go with the stats on this one;

Higher education = better opportunities = better pay = higher job satisfaction = better quality of life

There will always be exceptions to the rule !!

Hmmm... wouldn't mind taking a peek at those stats, Sparts.

I know a hell of a lot of people holding extremely well-paid jobs and, to be honest, I can't say a majority of them would describe their lives as being a quality one.

I'll be rubbing shoulders with the power set later this week at some function or other (that my girlfriend dragged me into), including our very own Premier. Maybe I'll ask him how he'd rate his quality of life. And if higher education and its attendant pecuniary rewards really tip the scale one way or the other.

[deletedelete]

i hear you gp, but i think we need to contribute to humanity in some way to be happy. and it's just that some of us have very lax criteria as to what contributing to humanity is - to some is simply waking up in the morning and admiring the sunshine, to others is becoming a rocket scientist. either way - we need to feel connected to feel happy. and working more often than not makes us feel that.

[mimi]

This is what I notice.

People doing a particular job, always think they'd be happier doing something else...until they do it. People who work, think they'd be happier if they didn't have to....until they are out of work. People who don't have to work, think they'd be happier if they did...until they do. People who stay home to look after their kids, can't wait to get back to work....and those at work wish they could be home with their kids.......etc etc etc.

The secret is to make sure that whatever job you do or whatever career you pursue....is something you would enjoy doing even if it was only a hobby....then getting paid for it is a bonus.

[mimi]

we need to feel connected to feel happy.

I think so too...and what a person needs, to feel connected, varies. =))

[Blurt]

Yep. That's me bro. Ever the Objectivist (and him not ever having read, as far as I know, any Ayn Rand--go figure!).

I know you fairly well, my brother, and I'd say you're a success, for sure. Material possessions, for you, have this luminous "take 'em or leave 'em" quality where they only have a "hoard 'em" appeal to others.

Now, about those three electric guitars...

[GranpaP]

This is what I notice.

People doing a particular job, always think they'd be happier doing something else...until they do it. People who work, think they'd be happier if they didn't have to....until they are out of work. People who don't have to work, think they'd be happier if they did...until they do. People who stay home to look after their kids, can't wait to get back to work....and those at work wish they could be home with their kids.......etc etc etc.

The secret is to make sure that whatever job you do or whatever career you pursue....is something you would enjoy doing even if it was only a hobby....then getting paid for it is a bonus.

[deletedelete]

agreed w/ mimi too! and chances are, if you're formally educated in a certain field in addition to liking it, then chances are you'll enjoy doing it even more. we like what we know and vice versa.

lol@ those three electric guitars:))) let's hear about them gp!

[Rotwang]

I dunno. One of my degrees is in psychology and I've done pretty darn good so far.

Are you a practicing psychologist?

[Munday]

i blame Harper...asshole

[Munday]

All I know for certain, is that I know more unemployed people with degrees, than I do employed people without degrees.

thats what i love about you..you're such a snob.......let's run away together.. :w00t!:

[mimi]

And that's what I love about you. You can turn a sentence into anything you want. Create things that aren't there. Turn non-fiction into fiction and vice versa. One would have to be crazy to not appreciate a good imagination.

[Berry Sweet]

I think many have the notion that a degree will automatically pave the way for a career.

It also depends on how focused you are and how much you desire to learn. I find some people don't take the studies seriously, while a small fraction really do...and actually learn and apply themselves...

[GranpaP]

I think many have the notion that a degree will automatically pave the way for a career.

It also depends on how focused you are and how much you desire to learn. I find some people don't take the studies seriously, while a small fraction really do...and actually learn and apply themselves...

... says the graduate with an Associate of Liberal Arts in Handjobs.

[ghost]

I dunno. One of my degrees is in psychology and I've done pretty darn good so far.

Are you a practicing psychologist?

That would require a phd. I don't have a phd in psychology.

But I do use my education in my writing on a daily basis. There are a lot of things I know and understand about the human psyche that plays in my writing. If I hadn't received my education, I wouldn't be as well informed.

[Michael McAdam]

[heinzy]

Are you a practicing psychologist?

That would require a phd. I don't have a phd in psychology.

But I do use my education in my writing on a daily basis. There are a lot of things I know and understand about the human psyche that plays in my writing. If I hadn't received my education, I wouldn't be as well informed.

Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? .

An education is a life-tool. Some people let it rust away; others use it for odious purposes and others again make good use of it. You have the good common sense to belong into the latter category.

[Munday]

That would require a phd. I don't have a phd in psychology.

But I do use my education in my writing on a daily basis. There are a lot of things I know and understand about the human psyche that plays in my writing. If I hadn't received my education, I wouldn't be as well informed.

Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? .

An education is a life-tool. Some people let it rust away; others use it for odious purposes and others again make good use of it. You have the good common sense to belong into the latter category.

duh...except she has no common sense...i suspect it is because she has those degrees....but it also may be because of it.....in any case it didn't seem to do her any good

[Rotwang]

Are you a practicing psychologist?

That would require a phd. I don't have a phd in psychology.

But I do use my education in my writing on a daily basis. There are a lot of things I know and understand about the human psyche that plays in my writing. If I hadn't received my education, I wouldn't be as well informed.

So, you expended 4 years of effort studying for a degree that has no connection to your employment (with no disrespect to your actual vocation).

Isn't this the point?

The education system was subverted by feminism, which declared that women should be afforded the same life opportunities as men.

Noble ideal, as most socialist ideals are.

But, feminists didn't want life opportunities that included breaking your nails, or getting grease and dirt on your Chanel's. No. Women wanted to be educated into the higher learning vocations. Let men disassemble engines, or lay bricks, or fix your plumbing. Women can be psychologists (the world needs more psychologists), welfare workers, graphic designers, doctors, dentists, lawyers (the world needs lots of lawyers) and last but by no means least....public servants. Women love public service. They actually think they are making a difference.

So, we end up with an over educated, dysfunctional society, where families are expendable on the alter of materialism, where tradespeople are harder and harder to find, and the economic gap widens every day.

So, tell me, girls.

Is this the world you wanted?

Will you leave it a better place than you found it?

[Zero Cool]

Yes because having people employed is a terrible thing. Given manufacturing jobs have been shipped overseas and continue to head east, what is left exactly? Would it be better to be at home barefoot and pregnant raising children in poverty because the current economic climate is such where a single bread winner is no longer an option? Is the only acceptable non-feminist job that of a trades person?

Come on.

North American Jobs.

Banker>Lawyer>RE Agent>Marketing/selling passports to China>McJob

That is all.

[Zero Cool]

That would require a phd. I don't have a phd in psychology.

But I do use my education in my writing on a daily basis. There are a lot of things I know and understand about the human psyche that plays in my writing. If I hadn't received my education, I wouldn't be as well informed.

So, you expended 4 years of effort studying for a degree that has no connection to your employment (with no disrespect to your actual vocation).

Isn't this the point?

The education system was subverted by feminism, which declared that women should be afforded the same life opportunities as men.

Noble ideal, as most socialist ideals are.

But, feminists didn't want life opportunities that included breaking your nails, or getting grease and dirt on your Chanel's. No. Women wanted to be educated into the higher learning vocations. Let men disassemble engines, or lay bricks, or fix your plumbing. Women can be psychologists (the world needs more psychologists), welfare workers, graphic designers, doctors, dentists, lawyers (the world needs lots of lawyers) and last but by no means least....public servants. Women love public service. They actually think they are making a difference.

So, we end up with an over educated, dysfunctional society, where families are expendable on the alter of materialism, where tradespeople are harder and harder to find, and the economic gap widens every day.

So, tell me, girls.

Is this the world you wanted?

Will you leave it a better place than you found it?

I'd always thought that the education system had it's beginning in actual higher learning rather than a piece of paper that gets you an interview.

IE:
Robert Oppenheimer/Stanley Milgram: Studying to learn relevant things VS Jamie Dimon/Richard Fuld Studying to see how fast you can lose a billion dollars and not pay any penalty.

Which has more value?

[Munday]

That would require a phd. I don't have a phd in psychology.

But I do use my education in my writing on a daily basis. There are a lot of things I know and understand about the human psyche that plays in my writing. If I hadn't received my education, I wouldn't be as well informed.

Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? .

An education is a life-tool. Some people let it rust away; others use it for odious purposes and others again make good use of it. You have the good common sense to belong into the latter category.

duh...except she has no common sense...i suspect it is because she has those degrees....but it also may be because of it.....in any case it didn't seem to do her any good

[Zero Cool]

Part of the problem is people are getting educations for the paper rather than for the want of learning relevant applicable things.

Or so their parents don't kick them out/make them pay rent.