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[extralegs2000]

That is no way to base your faith; that is no basis. It is not what people do: it is the actual message of the Divine that should form your basis.

[Romero]

Those are from wars and conflicts. Similar verses can be found in the Bible. Those aren't examples of how Muslims are supposed to follow Islam.

Are you an Imam? Plenty of mullahs would disagree with you. Having kaffirs attempt to define Islam is a non-starter. the best religious advice I ever received was from my Grandfather who counseled not to pay attention to much of what Holy Joes have to say, but observe very closely what they actually do.

I don't care what plenty of mullahs would say. Those verses are regarding conflicts and they're not examples of how Muslims are supposed to follow Islam.

Since there are similar verses in the Bible, are we supposed to assume that Christians follow them?

You don't have to be a priest or whatever to answer. You know the answer.

[ConanDoyle]

very snotty today arent we..could you be wrong

[Lochdubh]

Are you an Imam? Plenty of mullahs would disagree with you. Having kaffirs attempt to define Islam is a non-starter. the best religious advice I ever received was from my Grandfather who counseled not to pay attention to much of what Holy Joes have to say, but observe very closely what they actually do.

I don't care what plenty of mullahs would say. Those verses are regarding conflicts and they're not examples of how Muslims are supposed to follow Islam.

Since there are similar verses in the Bible, are we supposed to assume that Christians follow them?

You don't have to be a priest or whatever to answer. You know the answer.

I've met fundamentalist christians who believe everything in the Bible is the true word of God. fortunately there are not many of them, and they are more likely to bore you to death than to cut your fucking head off or blow up a Safeway. Ask a Muslim what they can safely ignore in the Qu'ran. Let's ask Extryleggs.

[cc la tarte]

I don't care what plenty of mullahs would say.

We have know all along that no matter what is supremacist, misogynist, anti-gay, anti-all non-islamics is preached in mosques you "don't care : / ignore it and try to claim that only peace is taught.

It is embarrassing to have to point out to someone that ....it isn't what is in books that matters, its what is taught and believed TODAY that matters TODAY ... and tomorrow

[Lochdubh]

Are you an Imam? Plenty of mullahs would disagree with you. Having kaffirs attempt to define Islam is a non-starter. the best religious advice I ever received was from my Grandfather who counseled not to pay attention to much of what Holy Joes have to say, but observe very closely what they actually do.

I don't care what plenty of mullahs would say. Those verses are regarding conflicts and they're not examples of how Muslims are supposed to follow Islam.

Since there are similar verses in the Bible, are we supposed to assume that Christians follow them?

You don't have to be a priest or whatever to answer. You know the answer.

You are correct in pointing out that those verses are about conflicts. there are plenty of conflicts. More than enough to go around. anyone who defies the will of Allah as expressed by his last and most perfect Messenger becomes a source of conflict and will be a target of persuasion. If that does not work, subjugation is plan B.

[extralegs2000]

I don't care what plenty of mullahs would say. Those verses are regarding conflicts and they're not examples of how Muslims are supposed to follow Islam.

Since there are similar verses in the Bible, are we supposed to assume that Christians follow them?

You don't have to be a priest or whatever to answer. You know the answer.

I've met fundamentalist christians who believe everything in the Bible is the true word of God. fortunately there are not many of them, and they are more likely to bore you to death than to cut your fucking head off or blow up a Safeway. Ask a Muslim what they can safely ignore in the Qu'ran. Let's ask Extryleggs.

You can't safely ignore anything in the Qur'an. It would lose its value as a sacred text if you ignored even one dot of it. You have to accept--in principle--the entire text, right down to the last dot. But what you can TRY to do, is to interpret it and apply it in an 'enlightened' way.

[Lochdubh]

That is no way to base your faith; that is no basis. It is not what people do: it is the actual message of the Divine that should form your basis.

Our Islamic correspondent has already obliged us by addressing Qwerty's post here. All Muslims have to do is heed the flaming and immutable Word of Allah.

[Romero]

Hey, I'm around Muslims often. I'm supposed to think that they're all my enemies out to get me? That would be crazy. Paranoid delusional.

Last time it was a couple of Muslim women passing by talking to each other and being happy. I had my usual chuckle thinking about how you haters would have me believe they're some sort of threat. Ooh, I was so scared.

[Lochdubh]

I've met fundamentalist christians who believe everything in the Bible is the true word of God. fortunately there are not many of them, and they are more likely to bore you to death than to cut your fucking head off or blow up a Safeway. Ask a Muslim what they can safely ignore in the Qu'ran. Let's ask Extryleggs.

You can't safely ignore anything in the Qur'an. It would lose its value as a sacred text if you ignored even one dot of it. You have to accept--in principle--the entire text, right down to the last dot. But what you can TRY to do, is to interpret it and apply it in an 'enlightened' way.

so the sunjugation of Dhimmis and Kaffirs is a question of tactics (objectives) not strategy (goals).

[Lochdubh]

Hey, I'm around Muslims often. I'm supposed to think that they're all my enemies out to get me? That would be crazy. Paranoid delusional.

Last time it was a couple of Muslim women passing by talking to each other and being happy. I had my usual chuckle thinking about how you haters would have me believe they're some sort of threat.

they were laffin' at you.

[Romero]

They didn't even look at me. It was so scary.

[cc la tarte]

That is no way to base your faith; that is no basis. It is not what people do: it is the actual message of the Divine that should form your basis.

Our Islamic correspondent has already obliged us by addressing Qwerty's post here. All Muslims have to do is heed the flaming and immutable Word of Allah.

So true. If one wants to be a good islamic and get the rewards of being so, one HAS TO to believe every "perfect" word of dear allababy.

Fortunately, most do not believe what they are told to believe .... or just pretend it doesn't exist at the moment ... and are no problem to anyone.

Unfortunately, the devout DO believe every word

More unfortunately, the devout are always the ones in power .... The leaders that control islam, that teach & preach islam to the others who are not necessarily so devout / pious.
That minority rule islam ..... always have ..... do TODAY ..... always will

[extralegs2000]

Well, it's my Faith. What more can I say: "It is written".

[extralegs2000]

But might I point out another thing: glittering generalities cannot be responded to. Those are 'generalizations'. Calling Islam misogynist, supremacist, violent, intolerant, etc., etc., etc.
That is not an argument at all: it is mere 'fluff'. There can be no response to that. You need to be much more specific. Misogynist? Supremacist? When? Where? How? Why ? On what occasion?

[extralegs2000]

Our Islamic correspondent has already obliged us by addressing Qwerty's post here. All Muslims have to do is heed the flaming and immutable Word of Allah.

So true. If one wants to be a good islamic and get the rewards of being so, one HAS TO to believe every "perfect" word of dear allababy.

Fortunately, most do not believe what they are told to believe .... or just pretend it doesn't exist at the moment ... and are no problem to anyone.

Unfortunately, the devout DO believe every word

More unfortunately, the devout are always the ones in power .... The leaders that control islam, that teach & preach islam to the others who are not necessarily so devout / pious.
That minority rule islam ..... always have ..... do TODAY ..... always will

Well, so WHAT if the leaders control Islam? I don't see any problems with that. Mosques are running well. The Universe is unfolding as it should. They are not causing trouble for anybody. On the contrary, other people are causing trouble for Muslims. We are peaceful law-abiding citizens; exactly the kind of folk Romero met on the street.

[cc la tarte]

But might I point out another thing: glittering generalities cannot be responded to. Those are 'generalizations'. Calling Islam misogynist, supremacist, violent, intolerant, etc., etc., etc.
That is not an argument at all: it is mere 'fluff'. There can be no response to that. You need to be much more specific. Misogynist? Supremacist? When? Where? How? Why ? On what occasion?

Examples / proofs have been given many times over. New ones every day.

They are given daily by today examples and by examples of the instruction manual. No one is going to run the site out of bandwidth by repeating the same examples every single time they want to summarize what has already been demonstrated many times. Threads filled with already demonstrated examples would become unreadable.

And you know that ..... Nice try @ a cop out though

[Romero]

Threads filled with already demonstrated examples would become unreadable.

lol

[cc la tarte]

When all one has said has been demonstrated as pure made up bullshit (see multiple posts above^),

and there is nothing left to counter with

devout islamics like EL along with his / their lowly peons have only one avenue left to them

attempting to cop out

Nice try @ a cop out though

X2

Same old hilarious hokey routine. Make up things, make grandiose claims, be demonstrated 180 degree wrong, change course & try a cop out

[extralegs2000]

You are copping out. Not me. Islam is a religion of peace. Europe has instigated two world wars. 99% of all Muslims live in peace. 1% of 2 billion is 20 million. Granted: 20 million of us are at war; the wars you have instigated in Iraq and Afghanistan. The other 1.98 billion of us are at peace and have been for 1,400 years.

[Lochdubh]

^ Ever read any Indian history? byzantine history, Spanish history? French history? Austrian history? Italian history?

[extralegs2000]

That is no way to base your faith; that is no basis. It is not what people do: it is the actual message of the Divine that should form your basis.

Our Islamic correspondent has already obliged us by addressing Qwerty's post here. All Muslims have to do is heed the flaming and immutable Word of Allah.

Well, then, just TRY to heed the flaming words of Allah. I have repeatedly urged people here to give it a try. Just let the Book speak to you. See what it says to you. It will talk to you, personally. Do you want me to post quotes from the Book itself, and show you? The Book should be studied by all, even kaffirs. It is the most influential text in all of human history. It IS, in fact, being studied more and more now, on University campuses, many of which have opened departments of Islamic studies.
Why don't you get on the programme?

[extralegs2000]

^ Ever read any Indian history? byzantine history, Spanish history? French history? Austrian history? Italian history?

And your point is?

[Romero]

Well, then, just TRY to heed the flaming words of Allah. I have repeatedly urged people here to give it a try. Just let the Book speak to you.

Are you willing to just TRY becoming a Christian?

[Lochdubh]

^ Ever read any Indian history? byzantine history, Spanish history? French history? Austrian history? Italian history?

And your point is?

Islam has hardly been at peace for 1400 years. Every nation listed has been the target of Islamic aggression and military expansionism.

[Lochdubh]

Well, then, just TRY to heed the flaming words of Allah. I have repeatedly urged people here to give it a try. Just let the Book speak to you.

Are you willing to just TRY becoming a Christian?

what is the "cure" for apostasy according to "what is written"?

[extralegs2000]

^ Ever read any Indian history? byzantine history, Spanish history? French history? Austrian history? Italian history?

I realize that Islam had contact with every one of those cultures in history. Except I am hazy on the Italian history. I know southern Europe was Islamic throughout. But I don't know the specific reference to Italy.
The others I know to what you refer.
But might I make another point. This is a time when Islamic history will be studied, more and more. Just as British history was studied everywhere during the imperial period. Just as American history is studied because it is a superpower. It has become 'world history', now. Just as Roman history once was and still is.
Now it's our turn. You will be reading about us in your schools.
Get used to it.

[Lochdubh]

^ Ever read any Indian history? byzantine history, Spanish history? French history? Austrian history? Italian history?

I realize that Islam had contact with every one of those cultures in history. Except I am hazy on the Italian history. I know southern Europe was Islamic throughout. But I don't know the specific reference to Italy.
The others I know to what you refer.
But might I make another point. This is a time when Islamic history will be studied, more and more. Just as British history was studied everywhere during the imperial period. Just as American history is studied because it is a superpower. It has become 'world history', now. Just as Roman history once was and still is.
Now it's our turn. You will be reading about us in your schools.
Get used to it.

Sicily and many adjacent islands were islamic for a while. Moorish corsairs raided the Italian coat and carried off Italians into slavery in the Mahgreb.

[Lochdubh]

Extry - since you are indulging us today with lots of information and your unique viewpoint, please address apostasy under shariah .

[extralegs2000]

Extry - since you are indulging us today with lots of information and your unique viewpoint, please address apostasy under shariah .

Why would I give a hoot for apostates? Who really cares? You don't really expect me to sympathize with apostates, do you? Let the Shariah Law take its course. I would not execute them myself, but I would not lift a finger to prevent others from doing so. I have no sympathy for them. They can always return to Islam any time and be spared. They can repent and do TAUBA.
If you strongly believe in something, you become very defensive about it. We are defensive about Islam. I know I am. The religion is in a state of siege. Circle the wagons. We can't afford to lose members, or we might get wiped out. People must be kept firmly in the fold. To protect the Faith.
It is a very great sin to become an apostate.