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[GranpaP]

Bottom line is, that while I believe that getting an education is never a waste...it isn't a guarantee of either employment or success.

Yep, but you gotta go with the stats on this one;

Higher education = better opportunities = better pay = higher job satisfaction = better quality of life

There will always be exceptions to the rule !!

And one of the exceptions is: better pay does NOT necessarily equate to higher job satisfaction.

There is a long list of "motivators"; not all workers feel money is the top of the list.

I, for instance, have worked for peanuts in a position that I've found extremely satisfying.

[mimi]

Bottom line is, that while I believe that getting an education is never a waste...it isn't a guarantee of either employment or success.

Yep, but you gotta go with the stats on this one;

Higher education = better opportunities = better pay = higher job satisfaction = better quality of life

There will always be exceptions to the rule !!

I don't agree with that at all.

[mimi]

By the way....what are the stats ?

[Mad Serb]

The stats are that educated people earn more, live healthier and longer.

[mimi]

I assumed that's what Spart was suggesting they may have said...but...where are they and who said it. =))))

[GranpaP]

The stats are that educated people earn more, live healthier and longer.

But not necessarily happier.

Happiness, BTW, is THE gauge by which a person's success is measured; not the amount of friends or cars in the driveway or career and family achievements. There is no point in any of it if you aren't truly happy. I can lose all I have in a second and yet, keep a smile on my face because nobody can take away what I am.

[Mad Serb]

Cannot quote exact study, but indeed, education on average betters peoples lives. There are exceptions, of course.

[mimi]

Cannot quote exact study, but indeed, education on average betters peoples lives. There are exceptions, of course.

I couldn't deny that education betters people's lives...but education comes in many forms....and earning letters to put after our name, doesn't guarantee anything.

[Mad Serb]

Happiness, BTW, is THE gauge by which a person's success is measured

Happines is one of the worse gagues there is. How people respond to the question depends on how the question is framed and the state of mind of that person at the moment of questioning and how they feel their position in society is relative to the average. Thus, it may be (not sure if it realy is) that people in Serbia would report themselves to be happier than people in Canada. Yet all the data that show quality of life point that Canadians on average live better than Serbs. (By "data" I mean not size of cars and number of iPods or how people "feel", but the things that most people find important and are measurable - live span, crime rate, education, health, living conditions, job situation, etc)

[Mad Serb]

and earning letters to put after our name, doesn't guarantee anything.

Absolutely, but on average (again) diploma owners are more educated

[mimi]

Happiness, BTW, is THE gauge by which a person's success is measured

YES. =)

[mimi]

and earning letters to put after our name, doesn't guarantee anything.

Absolutely, but on average (again) diploma owners are more educated

rofl....that pretty much goes without saying. =))) But it still guarantees nothing.

[RealWoman]

The stats are that educated people earn more, live healthier and longer.

Actually, the stats don't say that.

[Mad Serb]

Well, very few things in life are guaranteed, people can only increase or decrease probabilities.

[Mad Serb]

The stats are that educated people earn more, live healthier and longer.

Actually, the stats don't say that.

Are you sure? I have read some books that partialy deal with it, at least for US.

[deletedelete]

stats. http://www.commissiononhealth.org/PDF/c ... Health.pdf

mind you, you can find stats to show whatever you want nowadays:)

[GranpaP]

Happiness, BTW, is THE gauge by which a person's success is measured

Happines is one of the worse gagues there is. How people respond to the question depends on how the question is framed and the state of mind of that person at the moment of questioning and how they feel their position in society is relative to the average. Thus, it may be (not sure if it realy is) that people in Serbia would report themselves to be happier than people in Canada. Yet all the data that show quality of life point that Canadians on average live better than Serbs. (By "data" I mean not size of cars and number of iPods or how people "feel", but the things that most people find important and are measurable - live span, crime rate, education, health, living conditions, job situation, etc)

This may be true for those who have lived in penury and wagered their lives on the "having" rather than the "being" aspects of life.

One "has" a career. One "has" a family. One "has" friends, cars, influence, respect and admiration from their peers. But "having" may lead to loss. Then what? Shoot yourself when you lose it all? It is a familiar scenario.

I can't lose my being. My happiness does not hinge on "having", and certainly is not determined by a superficial comparative evaluation of others' stance in society and their posessions.

My happiness is without measure or source; it just IS. And being aware of this makes me even happier.

Those who know me well believe I am a successful person in spite of "having" nothing to my name.

[Blurt]

Yep, but you gotta go with the stats on this one;

Higher education = better opportunities = better pay = higher job satisfaction = better quality of life

There will always be exceptions to the rule !!

Hmmm... wouldn't mind taking a peek at those stats, Sparts.

I know a hell of a lot of people holding extremely well-paid jobs and, to be honest, I can't say a majority of them would describe their lives as being a quality one.

I'll be rubbing shoulders with the power set later this week at some function or other (that my girlfriend dragged me into), including our very own Premier. Maybe I'll ask him how he'd rate his quality of life. And if higher education and its attendant pecuniary rewards really tip the scale one way or the other.

[deletedelete]

i hear you gp, but i think we need to contribute to humanity in some way to be happy. and it's just that some of us have very lax criteria as to what contributing to humanity is - to some is simply waking up in the morning and admiring the sunshine, to others is becoming a rocket scientist. either way - we need to feel connected to feel happy. and working more often than not makes us feel that.

[RealWoman]

Actually, the stats don't say that.

Are you sure? I have read some books that partialy deal with it, at least for US.

Yes I am sure.

[mimi]

This is what I notice.

People doing a particular job, always think they'd be happier doing something else...until they do it. People who work, think they'd be happier if they didn't have to....until they are out of work. People who don't have to work, think they'd be happier if they did...until they do. People who stay home to look after their kids, can't wait to get back to work....and those at work wish they could be home with their kids.......etc etc etc.

The secret is to make sure that whatever job you do or whatever career you pursue....is something you would enjoy doing even if it was only a hobby....then getting paid for it is a bonus.

[mimi]

we need to feel connected to feel happy.

I think so too...and what a person needs, to feel connected, varies. =))

[Blurt]

Yep. That's me bro. Ever the Objectivist (and him not ever having read, as far as I know, any Ayn Rand--go figure!).

I know you fairly well, my brother, and I'd say you're a success, for sure. Material possessions, for you, have this luminous "take 'em or leave 'em" quality where they only have a "hoard 'em" appeal to others.

Now, about those three electric guitars...

[GranpaP]

This is what I notice.

People doing a particular job, always think they'd be happier doing something else...until they do it. People who work, think they'd be happier if they didn't have to....until they are out of work. People who don't have to work, think they'd be happier if they did...until they do. People who stay home to look after their kids, can't wait to get back to work....and those at work wish they could be home with their kids.......etc etc etc.

The secret is to make sure that whatever job you do or whatever career you pursue....is something you would enjoy doing even if it was only a hobby....then getting paid for it is a bonus.

[deletedelete]

agreed w/ mimi too! and chances are, if you're formally educated in a certain field in addition to liking it, then chances are you'll enjoy doing it even more. we like what we know and vice versa.

lol@ those three electric guitars:))) let's hear about them gp!

[Rotwang]

I dunno. One of my degrees is in psychology and I've done pretty darn good so far.

Are you a practicing psychologist?

[Munday]

i blame Harper...asshole

[Munday]

All I know for certain, is that I know more unemployed people with degrees, than I do employed people without degrees.

thats what i love about you..you're such a snob.......let's run away together..

[mimi]

And that's what I love about you. You can turn a sentence into anything you want. Create things that aren't there. Turn non-fiction into fiction and vice versa. One would have to be crazy to not appreciate a good imagination.

[Berry Sweet]

I think many have the notion that a degree will automatically pave the way for a career.

It also depends on how focused you are and how much you desire to learn. I find some people don't take the studies seriously, while a small fraction really do...and actually learn and apply themselves...