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Renee wrote: ↑February 21st, 2023, 9:05 am

Odinson wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 4:04 pm

Renee wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 1:25 pm

Odinson wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 11:09 am

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 10:38 am I thought you where Finnish Odi ???
They did take a lot of people all over the place, southern Europe, and beyond was fair game to them, also any ships in the Mediterranean being it European, or American.
Africa was a big source of their slaves also.

There were some slave-raids in Finland... Coastal villages... 1700s.

They did it so quickly that the local militias couldnt respond in time.


Turks also raided Iceland which is why it was legal to kill Turks in Iceland all the way to the 1970´s.

They weren't actually "Turks" that raided Iceland and most likely Finland as well. They were Barbary Pirates out of Algiers or Tripoli, so they were Moors or Berbers....In fact many of the more notorious Barbary pirates were renegade white Europeans working as privateers....The American colonies and the newly formed United States had their share if problems with them as well. The colloquial vernacular of the time labeled any Muslim out of the Middle East as a "Turk" and I guess ignorance just carried it through to the modern age.

Unfortunately that Icelandic law allowing "Turks" to be killed seems to be an urban legend... No real legal docs exist stating that it was legal to kill "Turks" on sight... BUT Iceland did have a decree stating that you could kill Basques on sight in the Westfjords district. That law was only abolished around 2015. The Basque decree goes back to the early 17th century and stemmed from some kind of misunderstanding between shipwrecked Basque whalers and the locals.

The area was part of the Ottoman empire so thinking that they were Turks was understandable... They practically were Turks.
And the slaves, girls and young boys, ended up in Turkey and Persia.

I know that they were a multinational group of opportunists... In Finland, they pretended to be merchant-ships which they probably were until an opportunity to make a lot of money presented itself.


Older countries might have really outdated laws in the books somewhere that havent been officially removed..

The "Ottoman" pirates did attack Iceland, they werent basques, and its reasonable to assume that the king decreed Turks to be killed on sight.

The Basques didn't attack Iceland. It was 1615 and Iceland and Spain had an agreement to let whaling ships dock in Iceland. It was a rough winter that year in Iceland and Basque whalers were shipwrecked in a storm. Most of the sailors survived and came ashore. Several Basque sailors broke into an empty merchant's shop snd stole some dried fish because they were starving. The local people took it a little too far and hunted the Basques down and killed and mutilated them. The local psycho sheriff decreed that all Basques and Spaniards where to be killed on sight. This lead to a massacre of about 32 Spainish sailors. It was the worst massacre and atrocity in Icelandic history. Fortunately it was just a local incident and the decree didn't impact the entire country.

Some people are just nuts and there are too many frightened sheep who can be whipped into a frenzy by just one crazy authority figure.

Odinson wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 4:04 pm

Renee wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 1:25 pm

Odinson wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 11:09 am

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 10:38 am I thought you where Finnish Odi ???
They did take a lot of people all over the place, southern Europe, and beyond was fair game to them, also any ships in the Mediterranean being it European, or American.
Africa was a big source of their slaves also.

There were some slave-raids in Finland... Coastal villages... 1700s.

They did it so quickly that the local militias couldnt respond in time.


Turks also raided Iceland which is why it was legal to kill Turks in Iceland all the way to the 1970´s.

They weren't actually "Turks" that raided Iceland and most likely Finland as well. They were Barbary Pirates out of Algiers or Tripoli, so they were Moors or Berbers....In fact many of the more notorious Barbary pirates were renegade white Europeans working as privateers....The American colonies and the newly formed United States had their share if problems with them as well. The colloquial vernacular of the time labeled any Muslim out of the Middle East as a "Turk" and I guess ignorance just carried it through to the modern age.

Unfortunately that Icelandic law allowing "Turks" to be killed seems to be an urban legend... No real legal docs exist stating that it was legal to kill "Turks" on sight... BUT Iceland did have a decree stating that you could kill Basques on sight in the Westfjords district. That law was only abolished around 2015. The Basque decree goes back to the early 17th century and stemmed from some kind of misunderstanding between shipwrecked Basque whalers and the locals.

The area was part of the Ottoman empire so thinking that they were Turks was understandable... They practically were Turks.
And the slaves, girls and young boys, ended up in Turkey and Persia.

I know that they were a multinational group of opportunists... In Finland, they pretended to be merchant-ships which they probably were until an opportunity to make a lot of money presented itself.


Older countries might have really outdated laws in the books somewhere that havent been officially removed..

The "Ottoman" pirates did attack Iceland, they werent basques, and its reasonable to assume that the king decreed Turks to be killed on sight.

Renee wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 1:25 pm

Odinson wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 11:09 am

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 10:38 am I thought you where Finnish Odi ???
They did take a lot of people all over the place, southern Europe, and beyond was fair game to them, also any ships in the Mediterranean being it European, or American.
Africa was a big source of their slaves also.

There were some slave-raids in Finland... Coastal villages... 1700s.

They did it so quickly that the local militias couldnt respond in time.


Turks also raided Iceland which is why it was legal to kill Turks in Iceland all the way to the 1970´s.

They weren't actually "Turks" that raided Iceland and most likely Finland as well. They were Barbary Pirates out of Algiers or Tripoli, so they were Moors or Berbers....In fact many of the more notorious Barbary pirates were renegade white Europeans working as privateers....The American colonies and the newly formed United States had their share if problems with them as well. The colloquial vernacular of the time labeled any Muslim out of the Middle East as a "Turk" and I guess ignorance just carried it through to the modern age.

Unfortunately that Icelandic law allowing "Turks" to be killed seems to be an urban legend... No real legal docs exist stating that it was legal to kill "Turks" on sight... BUT Iceland did have a decree stating that you could kill Basques on sight in the Westfjords district. That law was only abolished around 2015. The Basque decree goes back to the early 17th century and stemmed from some kind of misunderstanding between shipwrecked Basque whalers and the locals.

Odinson wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 11:09 am

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 10:38 am I thought you where Finnish Odi ???
They did take a lot of people all over the place, southern Europe, and beyond was fair game to them, also any ships in the Mediterranean being it European, or American.
Africa was a big source of their slaves also.

There were some slave-raids in Finland... Coastal villages... 1700s.

They did it so quickly that the local militias couldnt respond in time.


Turks also raided Iceland which is why it was legal to kill Turks in Iceland all the way to the 1970´s.

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 20th, 2023, 10:38 am I thought you where Finnish Odi ???
They did take a lot of people all over the place, southern Europe, and beyond was fair game to them, also any ships in the Mediterranean being it European, or American.
Africa was a big source of their slaves also.

Renee wrote: ↑February 15th, 2023, 7:48 pm

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 15th, 2023, 3:31 pm

Renee wrote: ↑February 15th, 2023, 12:42 pm

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 14th, 2023, 1:12 pm If you notice most gun companies in Turkey vanish withing three years, they change their name is the trick.
You have gun issues you are out of luck.

The WInchester, and a few others made there are under the name of Winchester so they have to be up to their standards.
As you said they are licensed by them, and have to have the quality.

I was just saying a cheep knockoff isn't so bad sometimes, just watch what you get.
The good part of it is you have the internet for research anymore, it helps a lot.

I have been looking at the SXP again myself, I want two if I get them so I can stash them near the doors.

The better ones like ATA or Armsan, or Huglu or Akus have been around a fairly long time. They are usually hooked up with well known gun companies or importers like Weatherby, CZ, Mossberg, SKB, Tristar, etc. Warrantee work on those products are pretty easy to get. It's the US importers that are here today, gone tomorrow that you really have to worry about.

Even Fabarm which is a well known Italian shotgun maker or fairly expensive guns has had it's share of importer problems. Getting parts or warranty work done on some of their older models is all but impossible without sending the gun back to Italy.

I have seen a few off brand Turkish shotguns that caught my eye, but I never got one.
If as you say they are name brand backed Ill consider them a bit more.

The Turks make a nice copy of the 92 f Beretta, it's all made with the Italian tooling, and standards.

A lot of Turkish guns are very nice. ATA makes rifles anf handguns for the Turkish military.

The reason they are so cheap in not because they are made poorly, it's because the Turkish Lira is so weak against the US dollar and the Euro. If that wasn't the case, they would cost just as much as some of the European offerings. I currently own 3 Turkish made shotguns and if 20 years ago you said to me that I would buy a Turkish shotgun, I would have told you to fuck off. They have come up in quality that much.

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 15th, 2023, 3:31 pm

Renee wrote: ↑February 15th, 2023, 12:42 pm

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 14th, 2023, 1:12 pm If you notice most gun companies in Turkey vanish withing three years, they change their name is the trick.
You have gun issues you are out of luck.

The WInchester, and a few others made there are under the name of Winchester so they have to be up to their standards.
As you said they are licensed by them, and have to have the quality.

I was just saying a cheep knockoff isn't so bad sometimes, just watch what you get.
The good part of it is you have the internet for research anymore, it helps a lot.

I have been looking at the SXP again myself, I want two if I get them so I can stash them near the doors.

The better ones like ATA or Armsan, or Huglu or Akus have been around a fairly long time. They are usually hooked up with well known gun companies or importers like Weatherby, CZ, Mossberg, SKB, Tristar, etc. Warrantee work on those products are pretty easy to get. It's the US importers that are here today, gone tomorrow that you really have to worry about.

Even Fabarm which is a well known Italian shotgun maker or fairly expensive guns has had it's share of importer problems. Getting parts or warranty work done on some of their older models is all but impossible without sending the gun back to Italy.

I have seen a few off brand Turkish shotguns that caught my eye, but I never got one.
If as you say they are name brand backed Ill consider them a bit more.

The Turks make a nice copy of the 92 f Beretta, it's all made with the Italian tooling, and standards.

Renee wrote: ↑February 15th, 2023, 12:42 pm

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 14th, 2023, 1:12 pm If you notice most gun companies in Turkey vanish withing three years, they change their name is the trick.
You have gun issues you are out of luck.

The WInchester, and a few others made there are under the name of Winchester so they have to be up to their standards.
As you said they are licensed by them, and have to have the quality.

I was just saying a cheep knockoff isn't so bad sometimes, just watch what you get.
The good part of it is you have the internet for research anymore, it helps a lot.

I have been looking at the SXP again myself, I want two if I get them so I can stash them near the doors.

The better ones like ATA or Armsan, or Huglu or Akus have been around a fairly long time. They are usually hooked up with well known gun companies or importers like Weatherby, CZ, Mossberg, SKB, Tristar, etc. Warrantee work on those products are pretty easy to get. It's the US importers that are here today, gone tomorrow that you really have to worry about.

Even Fabarm which is a well known Italian shotgun maker or fairly expensive guns has had it's share of importer problems. Getting parts or warranty work done on some of their older models is all but impossible without sending the gun back to Italy.

Odinson wrote: ↑February 14th, 2023, 2:34 pm They probably get some startup money from the government.

They shuffle the ownership between relatives and buddies.

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 14th, 2023, 1:12 pm If you notice most gun companies in Turkey vanish withing three years, they change their name is the trick.
You have gun issues you are out of luck.

The WInchester, and a few others made there are under the name of Winchester so they have to be up to their standards.
As you said they are licensed by them, and have to have the quality.

I was just saying a cheep knockoff isn't so bad sometimes, just watch what you get.
The good part of it is you have the internet for research anymore, it helps a lot.

I have been looking at the SXP again myself, I want two if I get them so I can stash them near the doors.

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 12th, 2023, 1:00 pm They are made in Turkey so maybe look around you might find the same gun for less money without the brand name.

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 10th, 2023, 3:43 pm I looked at the Winchester SXP, it's real simple, and easy breaking it down for cleaning.
The poly one would be great for what I want, just sits in the closet by the door just in case.
I think when I looked at them they went for about $260, bet you can't get one now for that.

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 8th, 2023, 8:33 pm
I agree Renee, it's all about the cool, and not the protection, and safety.
Personally I like a 28" inch barrel on most Shotguns, and rifles, but do enjoy my 18" double barrel which will devastate anyone within 20 yards.

Blue Frost wrote: ↑February 7th, 2023, 11:53 am There is a lot of good about the 18 also, if ammo was more available I would buy those.
They make a nice tight hole in things.

$560 and doesn't even have a stock
They tried to make a cool name for it though, the MOSSBERG 590 SHOCKWAVE LASER SADDLE