"Having gone over their oaths and rituals and already knowing Chinese history quite well it was interesting how they are so concerned about the QING who have already been "democided" by a very successful government policy to eliminate their culture and language. A Russian masters degree holder in China studies, explained to me the details. Naturally the Chinese are desperate to have this kept secret. The oaths and rituals involving persecuting the QING , destroying the QING etc... that go along with the FAN QING FU MING oath make a lot more sense once one understands who the QING dynasty represents in the oaths and rituals as the actual QING have very successfully destroyed their culture and genocided. over the last 100 years.Only about a dozen people can speak the [ QING ] Manchurian language now . I have come across this many times reading Chinese history books and books on the Triads that the MING dynasty in this oath represents Han Chinese. The natural question is who does the QING dynasty represent in the FAN QING FU MING oaths and related rituals. The actual QING being nomads similar to Mongolians were and are considered by the Chinese as being uncivilized FOREIGN barbarians. The hated Manchurians [ QING ] ruled China from 1644 to 1911. Now the fact that non-Chinese Canadians to Chinese who have taken these oaths and rituals are represented by QING is evidenced by what they call us in Cantonese LO FAN and natives HUNG FAN. LO meaning man and HUNG meaning red and FAN meaning FOREIGN uncivilized barbarian. If one doesn't believe that these terms are derogatory then try calling a Chinese person WONG FAN as WONG means yellow.
Basically what is meant by those who have sworn FAN QING FU MING is that they are swearing to aid China and Chinese people in taking over whichever country that has allowed them to immigrate to. FAN meaning overturn QING meaning non-Chinese and FU MING meaning support Chinese. I just wish that this was understood by Canadian immigration. It would be in Canada's best interests if those who have taken these oaths and rituals explained these truths when they beg to be allowed to immigrate to the country they are sworn enemies of."
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This is the typical view of those who take the FAN QING FU MING oath
"ONLY COUNTRIES LIKE THE UNITED STATES, CANADA, AND AUSTRALIA HAVE THE VAST LAND RESERVES TO SERVE OUR NEED FOR MASS COLONIZATION."
The following is the actual text of a speech delivered in December, 2005 by ComradeChi Haotian --the Vice-Chairman of China's Military Commision to top officers and generals. Keep in mind that China has for many years advocated deceiptful and covert warfare against its enemies. This is their Modus Operandi. There hould be little question that a "Bird Flu" Pandemic would deeply excite them. (Don't forget how they have poisoned thousands of American pets and knowingly placed lead paints on toddler's toys.)
"Comrades, I'm very excited today, because the large-scale online survey sina.com that was done for us showed that our next generation is quite promising and our Party's cause will be carried on. In answering the question, "Will you shoot at women, children and prisoners of war," more than 80 per cent of the respondents answered in the affirmative, exceeding by far our expectations.
Today I'd like to focus on why we asked sina.com to conduct this online survey among our people. My speech today is a sequel to my speech last time, during which I started with a discussion of the issue of the three islands [Taiwan, Diaoyu Islands and the Spratley Islands --- Ott] and mentioned that 20 years of the idyllic theme of 'peace and development' had cometo an end, and concluded that modernization under the saber is the only option for China's next phase. I also mentioned we have a vital stake overseas.
The central issue of this survey appears to be whether one should shoot at women, children and prisoners of war, but its real significance goes far beyond that. Ostensibly, our intention is mainly to figure out what the Chinese people's attitude towards war is: If these future soldiers do not hesitate to kill even noncombatants, they'll naturally be doubly ready and ruthless in killing combatants.
Therefore, the responses to the survey questions may reflect the general attitude people have towards war. . .. . ...We wanted to know: If China's global development will necessitate massive deaths in enemy countries, will our people endorse that scenario? Will they be for or against it? The fact is, our 'development' refers to the great revitalization of the Chinese nation, which, of course, is not limited to the land we have now but also includes the whole world.
As everybody knows, according to the views propagated by the Western scholars, humanity as a whole originated from one single mother in Africa. Therefore no race can claim racial superiority. However, according to the research conducted by most Chinese scholars, the Chinese are different from other races on earth. We did not originate in Africa. Instead, we originated independently in the land of China. Therefore, we can rightfully assert that we are the product of cultural roots of more than a million years, civilization and progress of more than ten thousand years, an ancient nation of five thousand years, and a single Chinese entity of two thousand years. This is the Chinese nation that calls itself 'descendants of Yan and Huang. During our long history, our people have disseminated throughout the Americas and the regions along the Pacific Rim, and they became Indians in the Americas and the East Asian ethnic groups in the South Pacific.
We all know that on account of our national superiority, during the thriving and prosperous Tang Dynasty our civilization was at the peak of the world. We were the centre of the world civilization, and no other civilization in the world was comparable to ours. Later on, because of our complacency, narrow-mindedness, and the self-enclosure of our own country, we were surpassed by Western civilization, and the centre of the world shifted to the West.
In reviewing history, one may ask: Will the centre of the world civilization shift back to China? Actually, Comrade Liu Huaqing made similar points in early 1980's Based on an historical analysis, he pointed out that the centre of world civilization is shifting. It shifted from the East to Western Europe and later to the United States; now it is shifting back to the East. Therefore, if we refer to the 19th
Century as the British Century and the 20th century as the American Century, then the 21st Century will be the Chinese Century!! (Wild applause fills the auditorium.)
Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs. As a result, we have a longer history, more people, and larger land area. On this basis, our ancestors left us with the two most essential heritages, which are atheism and great unity. It was Confucius, the founder of our Chinese culture, who gave us these heritages. These two heritages determined that we have a stronger ability to survive than the West. That is why the Chinese race has been able to prosper for so long.
We are destined 'not to be buried by either heaven or earth' no matter how severe the natural, man-made, and national disasters. This is our advantage. Take response to war as an example. The reason that the United States remains today is that it has never seen war on its mainland. Once its enemies aim at the mainland, the enemies would have already reached Washington before its congress finishes debating and authorizes the president to declare war. But for us, we don't waste time on these trivial things.
Maybe you have now come to understand why we recently decided to further promulgate atheism. If we let theology from the West into China and empty us from the inside, if we let all Chinese people listen to God and follow God, who will obediently listen to us and follow us? If the common people don't believe Comrade Hu Jintao is a qualified leader, begin to question his authority, and want to monitor him, if the religious followers in our society question why we are leading
God in churches, can our Party continue to rule China??
The first pressing issue facing us is living space. This is the biggest focus of the revitalization of the Chinese race. In my last speech, I said that the fight over basic living resources (including land and ocean) is the source of the vast majority of wars in history. This may change in the information age, but not fundamentally. Our per capita resources are much less than those of Germany's back then. In addition, economic development in the last twenty-plus years had a negative impact, and climates are rapidly changing for the worse. Our resources are in very short supply. The environment is severely polluted, especially that of soil, water, and air. Not only our ability to sustain and develop our race, but even its survival is gravely threatened, to a degree much greater than faced Germany back then.
Anybody who has been to Western countries knows that their living space is much better than ours. They have forests alongside the highways, while we hardly have any trees by our streets. Their sky is often blue with white clouds, while our sky is covered with a layer of dark haze. Their tap water is clean enough for drinking, while even our ground water is so polluted that it can't be drunk without filtering.
They have few people in the streets, and two or three people can occupy a small residential building; in contrast our streets are always crawling with people, and several people have to share one room. Many years ago, there was a book titled Yellow Catastrophes. It said that, due to our following the American style of consumption, our limited resources would no longer support the population and society would collapse once our population reaches 1.3 billion. Now our population has already exceeded this limit, and we are now relying on imports to sustain our nation. It's not that we haven't paid attention to this issue. The Ministry of Land Resources is specialized in this issue.
But we must understand that the term 'living space' (lebenstraum) is too closely related to Nazi Germany. The reason we don't want to discuss this too openly is to avoid the West's association of us with Nazi Germany, which could in turn reinforce the view that China is a threat. Therefore, in our emphasis on He Xin's new theory, 'Human Rights are just living rights' we only talk about 'living' but not 'space' so as to avoid using the term 'living space.
From the perspective of history, the reason that China is faced with the issue of living space is because Western countries have developed ahead of Eastern countries. Western countries
established colonies all around the world, therefore giving themselves an advantage on the issue of living space. To solve this problem, we must lead the Chinese people outside of China, so that they can develop outside of China.
Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan and some other countries! Second, even if we could snatch some land from Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, how much more living space can we get? Very trivial!
Only countries like the United States, Canada and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization. Therefore, solving the 'issue of America' is the key to solving all other issues.
First, this makes it possible for us to have many people migrate there and even establish another China under the same leadership of the CCP. America was originally discovered by the ancestors of the yellow race, but Columbus gave credit to the White race.
We the descendants of the Chinese nation are ENTITLED to the possession of the land!!! It is historical destiny that China and United States will come into unavoidable confrontation on a narrow path and fight. In the long run, the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.
Of course, right now it is not the time to openly break up with them yet. Our reform and opening to the outside world still rely on their capital and technology. We still need America. Therefore, we must do everything we can to promote our relationship with America, learn from America in all aspects and use America as an example to reconstruct our country.
Only by using special means to 'clean up' America will we be able to lead the Chinese people there. Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.
There has been rapid development of modern biological technology, and new bio weapons have been invented one after another. Of course we have not been idle; in the past years we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind. We are capable of achieving our purpose of 'cleaning up' America all of a sudden. When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focused instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy
country.
Biological weapons are unprecedented in their ruthlessness, but if the Americans do not die then the Chinese have to die. If the Chinese people are strapped to the present land, a total societal collapse is bound to take place.
According to the computations of the author of Yellow Peril, more than half of the Chinese will die, and that figure would be more than 800 million people! Just after the liberation, our yellow land supported nearly 500 million people, while today the official figure of the population is more than 1.3 billion. This yellow land has reached the limit of its capacity. One day, who know how soon it will come, the great collapse will occur any time and more than half of the population will have to go.
It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths, But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we'd have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party.
The last problem I want to talk about is of firmly seizing the preparations for military battle. The central committee believes, as long as we resolve the United States problem at one blow, our domestic problems will all be readily solved.
Therefore, our military battle preparation appears to aim at Taiwan, but in fact is aimed at the United States, and the preparation is far beyond the scope of attacking aircraft carriers or satellites
"ONLY COUNTRIES LIKE THE UNITED STATES, CANADA, AND AUSTRALIA HAVE THE VAST LAND RESERVES TO SERVE OUR NEED FOR MASS COLONIZATION."
The following is the actual text of a speech delivered in December, 2005 by ComradeChi Haotian --the Vice-Chairman of China's Military Commision to top officers and generals. Keep in mind that China has for many years advocated deceiptful and covert warfare against its enemies. This is their Modus Operandi. There hould be little question that a "Bird Flu" Pandemic would deeply excite them. (Don't forget how they have poisoned thousands of American pets and knowingly placed lead paints on toddler's toys.)
"Comrades, I'm very excited today, because the large-scale online survey sina.com that was done for us showed that our next generation is quite promising and our Party's cause will be carried on. In answering the question, "Will you shoot at women, children and prisoners of war," more than 80 per cent of the respondents answered in the affirmative, exceeding by far our expectations.
Today I'd like to focus on why we asked sina.com to conduct this online survey among our people. My speech today is a sequel to my speech last time, during which I started with a discussion of the issue of the three islands [Taiwan, Diaoyu Islands and the Spratley Islands --- Ott] and mentioned that 20 years of the idyllic theme of 'peace and development' had cometo an end, and concluded that modernization under the saber is the only option for China's next phase. I also mentioned we have a vital stake overseas.
The central issue of this survey appears to be whether one should shoot at women, children and prisoners of war, but its real significance goes far beyond that. Ostensibly, our intention is mainly to figure out what the Chinese people's attitude towards war is: If these future soldiers do not hesitate to kill even noncombatants, they'll naturally be doubly ready and ruthless in killing combatants.
Therefore, the responses to the survey questions may reflect the general attitude people have towards war. . .. . ...We wanted to know: If China's global development will necessitate massive deaths in enemy countries, will our people endorse that scenario? Will they be for or against it? The fact is, our 'development' refers to the great revitalization of the Chinese nation, which, of course, is not limited to the land we have now but also includes the whole world.
As everybody knows, according to the views propagated by the Western scholars, humanity as a whole originated from one single mother in Africa. Therefore no race can claim racial superiority. However, according to the research conducted by most Chinese scholars, the Chinese are different from other races on earth. We did not originate in Africa. Instead, we originated independently in the land of China. Therefore, we can rightfully assert that we are the product of cultural roots of more than a million years, civilization and progress of more than ten thousand years, an ancient nation of five thousand years, and a single Chinese entity of two thousand years. This is the Chinese nation that calls itself 'descendants of Yan and Huang. During our long history, our people have disseminated throughout the Americas and the regions along the Pacific Rim, and they became Indians in the Americas and the East Asian ethnic groups in the South Pacific.
We all know that on account of our national superiority, during the thriving and prosperous Tang Dynasty our civilization was at the peak of the world. We were the centre of the world civilization, and no other civilization in the world was comparable to ours. Later on, because of our complacency, narrow-mindedness, and the self-enclosure of our own country, we were surpassed by Western civilization, and the centre of the world shifted to the West.
In reviewing history, one may ask: Will the centre of the world civilization shift back to China? Actually, Comrade Liu Huaqing made similar points in early 1980's Based on an historical analysis, he pointed out that the centre of world civilization is shifting. It shifted from the East to Western Europe and later to the United States; now it is shifting back to the East. Therefore, if we refer to the 19th
Century as the British Century and the 20th century as the American Century, then the 21st Century will be the Chinese Century!! (Wild applause fills the auditorium.)
Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs. As a result, we have a longer history, more people, and larger land area. On this basis, our ancestors left us with the two most essential heritages, which are atheism and great unity. It was Confucius, the founder of our Chinese culture, who gave us these heritages. These two heritages determined that we have a stronger ability to survive than the West. That is why the Chinese race has been able to prosper for so long.
We are destined 'not to be buried by either heaven or earth' no matter how severe the natural, man-made, and national disasters. This is our advantage. Take response to war as an example. The reason that the United States remains today is that it has never seen war on its mainland. Once its enemies aim at the mainland, the enemies would have already reached Washington before its congress finishes debating and authorizes the president to declare war. But for us, we don't waste time on these trivial things.
Maybe you have now come to understand why we recently decided to further promulgate atheism. If we let theology from the West into China and empty us from the inside, if we let all Chinese people listen to God and follow God, who will obediently listen to us and follow us? If the common people don't believe Comrade Hu Jintao is a qualified leader, begin to question his authority, and want to monitor him, if the religious followers in our society question why we are leading
God in churches, can our Party continue to rule China??
The first pressing issue facing us is living space. This is the biggest focus of the revitalization of the Chinese race. In my last speech, I said that the fight over basic living resources (including land and ocean) is the source of the vast majority of wars in history. This may change in the information age, but not fundamentally. Our per capita resources are much less than those of Germany's back then. In addition, economic development in the last twenty-plus years had a negative impact, and climates are rapidly changing for the worse. Our resources are in very short supply. The environment is severely polluted, especially that of soil, water, and air. Not only our ability to sustain and develop our race, but even its survival is gravely threatened, to a degree much greater than faced Germany back then.
Anybody who has been to Western countries knows that their living space is much better than ours. They have forests alongside the highways, while we hardly have any trees by our streets. Their sky is often blue with white clouds, while our sky is covered with a layer of dark haze. Their tap water is clean enough for drinking, while even our ground water is so polluted that it can't be drunk without filtering.
They have few people in the streets, and two or three people can occupy a small residential building; in contrast our streets are always crawling with people, and several people have to share one room. Many years ago, there was a book titled Yellow Catastrophes. It said that, due to our following the American style of consumption, our limited resources would no longer support the population and society would collapse once our population reaches 1.3 billion. Now our population has already exceeded this limit, and we are now relying on imports to sustain our nation. It's not that we haven't paid attention to this issue. The Ministry of Land Resources is specialized in this issue.
But we must understand that the term 'living space' (lebenstraum) is too closely related to Nazi Germany. The reason we don't want to discuss this too openly is to avoid the West's association of us with Nazi Germany, which could in turn reinforce the view that China is a threat. Therefore, in our emphasis on He Xin's new theory, 'Human Rights are just living rights' we only talk about 'living' but not 'space' so as to avoid using the term 'living space.
From the perspective of history, the reason that China is faced with the issue of living space is because Western countries have developed ahead of Eastern countries. Western countries
established colonies all around the world, therefore giving themselves an advantage on the issue of living space. To solve this problem, we must lead the Chinese people outside of China, so that they can develop outside of China.
Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan and some other countries! Second, even if we could snatch some land from Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, how much more living space can we get? Very trivial!
Only countries like the United States, Canada and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization. Therefore, solving the 'issue of America' is the key to solving all other issues.
First, this makes it possible for us to have many people migrate there and even establish another China under the same leadership of the CCP. America was originally discovered by the ancestors of the yellow race, but Columbus gave credit to the White race.
We the descendants of the Chinese nation are ENTITLED to the possession of the land!!! It is historical destiny that China and United States will come into unavoidable confrontation on a narrow path and fight. In the long run, the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.
Of course, right now it is not the time to openly break up with them yet. Our reform and opening to the outside world still rely on their capital and technology. We still need America. Therefore, we must do everything we can to promote our relationship with America, learn from America in all aspects and use America as an example to reconstruct our country.
Only by using special means to 'clean up' America will we be able to lead the Chinese people there. Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.
There has been rapid development of modern biological technology, and new bio weapons have been invented one after another. Of course we have not been idle; in the past years we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind. We are capable of achieving our purpose of 'cleaning up' America all of a sudden. When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focused instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy
country.
Biological weapons are unprecedented in their ruthlessness, but if the Americans do not die then the Chinese have to die. If the Chinese people are strapped to the present land, a total societal collapse is bound to take place.
According to the computations of the author of Yellow Peril, more than half of the Chinese will die, and that figure would be more than 800 million people! Just after the liberation, our yellow land supported nearly 500 million people, while today the official figure of the population is more than 1.3 billion. This yellow land has reached the limit of its capacity. One day, who know how soon it will come, the great collapse will occur any time and more than half of the population will have to go.
It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths, But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we'd have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party.
The last problem I want to talk about is of firmly seizing the preparations for military battle. The central committee believes, as long as we resolve the United States problem at one blow, our domestic problems will all be readily solved.
Therefore, our military battle preparation appears to aim at Taiwan, but in fact is aimed at the United States, and the preparation is far beyond the scope of attacking aircraft carriers or satellites
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Here is a little information that you won't find in books.The JI GONG TONG which controls China, Singapore,Taiwan and all chinetowns is controlled by the Vatican [ hence the shills trying deperately to silence the truth on this oath ] The Vatican controlled the Japanese in WW2 which is evidenced by the Japanese giving hundreds of millions to the Vatican bank near the end of the second world war so that the Vatican could work out a settlement so Japan could keep the gold that Japan had stashed away in the Philippines. [ Read Gold Warriors by Sterling Seagrave ]The Vatican took the gold but betrayed Japan. The Ji Gong Tong's control by the Vatican is evidenced by the americans working a deal for Chaing Kai Shek [ Nationalists ] to take Hong Kong at the end of the second world war, is evidenced by the nationalists refusal to attack the Japanese [ The Japanese also never invaded Portuguese controlled Macao ] [ All top chinese mafia members from all chinese mafias are members ] for example the triads aided the Japanese prior to the Japanese invasion by sabotaging british army vehicles and other equiptment. Also the Nationalists leader Chiang Kai Shek was a former Green Gang hitman whose real boss was Big Eared Tu Yu Sheng the leader of Shang hais Green Gang. If you read The Dragon Syndicates by Martin Boothe you will find that The Golden Triangles heroin was being controlled by the Corsican mafia and the French Secret Service which sent the heroin up to Shanghai. The Nationalists being triad controlled were naturally Ji Gong Tong
I had heard countless times that Mao was controlled by the jesuits but couldn't believe it as Mao had forced atheism on China, Mao had never studied abroad like so many other future communist leaders and I hed never read about any contact that Mao had with any priests. Look at the Great Leap Forward, do you really believe that Mao believed that gigantitc ten foot deep ditches would create giant crops ? everybody melting down all metal tools for backyard steel production, planting crops extremely densely would produce extremely dense crop yields ? It was an ingeniusscheme to destroy the nation and Mao and the communists take the blame when they weren't even the masterminds behind it. Yale in China is where they found Mao.
I had heard countless times that Mao was controlled by the jesuits but couldn't believe it as Mao had forced atheism on China, Mao had never studied abroad like so many other future communist leaders and I hed never read about any contact that Mao had with any priests. Look at the Great Leap Forward, do you really believe that Mao believed that gigantitc ten foot deep ditches would create giant crops ? everybody melting down all metal tools for backyard steel production, planting crops extremely densely would produce extremely dense crop yields ? It was an ingeniusscheme to destroy the nation and Mao and the communists take the blame when they weren't even the masterminds behind it. Yale in China is where they found Mao.
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I suppose to put my grievances with those who swear to this oath in a nutshell
1 Chinese Canadiscams who take this oath swear their loyalty to China and chinese people against Canada and Canadians
2 Most Chinese Canadiscam males believe that Chinese will take over, eagerly await this outcome and eagerly support this outcome.
3 They want revenge against us.
Now really, Canada having at least three billion people wanting to immigrate here , do we really need more traitors ?
1 Chinese Canadiscams who take this oath swear their loyalty to China and chinese people against Canada and Canadians
2 Most Chinese Canadiscam males believe that Chinese will take over, eagerly await this outcome and eagerly support this outcome.
3 They want revenge against us.
Now really, Canada having at least three billion people wanting to immigrate here , do we really need more traitors ?
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About a dozen years ago a couple of investigating reporters if my memory serves me correctly came from either the USA or the UK fell out of a window on the fifth floor of some building and died. Everybody knew that they didn't accidentally fall out. They had been investigating government collusion in the people smuggling industry. What I am saying is that as Canada is the number one country in the world that they want to take over as they have Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and also have taken over the economies of Cambodia,Indonesia and the Philippines and have made huge inroads in most other southeast asian nations that they are deliberately making it difficult to return them . They want as large a fifth collumn as they can get here. It is part of their multi pronged strategy to take us over. also these excess population that they manage to unload on us live a better life here and China no longer has to take responsibility for them.
I have been reading The History Of Thailand by Patit Paban Mishra as I do believe that I should know the history of the surrounding nations of China as well. On page 96 the former king of Thailand Vajiravudh is quoted using the penname Asvapahu "that the Chinese had enjoyed the privilages of citizenship but were not showing loyalty to the adopted nation" Now when hasn't this been the case ? Even in Hong Kong the Chinese aided the Japanese against the British who had given them protection against the Qing dynasty, the lawless civilisation that was China then,the warlordism, the Japanese war, the civil war, etc... One doesn't have to know about their FAN QING FU MING oaths and rituals to see the obvious
I have been reading The History Of Thailand by Patit Paban Mishra as I do believe that I should know the history of the surrounding nations of China as well. On page 96 the former king of Thailand Vajiravudh is quoted using the penname Asvapahu "that the Chinese had enjoyed the privilages of citizenship but were not showing loyalty to the adopted nation" Now when hasn't this been the case ? Even in Hong Kong the Chinese aided the Japanese against the British who had given them protection against the Qing dynasty, the lawless civilisation that was China then,the warlordism, the Japanese war, the civil war, etc... One doesn't have to know about their FAN QING FU MING oaths and rituals to see the obvious
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I heard a tong member complain briefly about the head tax last week. It is interesting that they don't feel the slightest guilt about at least two states having every single foreigner killed including women and children. That's okay with them.Their genociding the Tibetans that's all okay with them. Our great grandfathers generation were allowed to use common sense. One doesn't need to speak fluent chinese, know their history and have been over their oaths and rituals to know that they hate us and want to take over whichever nation that they have asked to let them immigrate to. Does FAN QING FU MING ring a bell ? What about KILL THING QING, EXTIRMINATE THE QING and DESTROY THE QING ? Yes this same man who mentioned the head tax would have sworn these oaths and 100% knows that the QING in Canada means GWAILO''s or LOFAN
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That's the plan. Also part of this multi pronged approach to taking over is to get a far higher number of them in thus making for a far more powerful voting block. If they could get 40 million chinese in then we would have a prime minister whose loyalty is to China. But any increase in Chinese people here is an increase in their voting power, an increase in their allies against the people they want to take over. [this FAN QING FU MING thread explains part of this plan ]
If all businesses are in their control then all the workers are under them as well. They like living under white people however at the same time they want to take over and have us under them.If you go over their oaths and rituals and know that as the MING dynasty represents han chinese and that the QING dynasty represents the nonchinese that let them into which ever country that they have immigrated to then you realise that they want revenge against us too. Kill the QING, extirminate the QING,destroy the QING etc.... is all in there. Not knowing that the QING represent nonchinese then it is very odd when you go over their oaths and rituals that they are mostly to do with doing ill towards the QING. The QING were nomadic tribes much like the Mongolians and were considered FOREIGN uncivilised barbarians and have been culturalocided deliberately and genocided. What do they call us in cantonese ? LO FAN ? LO mean man and this FAN means FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian. To test if FAN is derogatory try calling them WONG FAN as WONG means yellow and look into their eyes and see their reaction. They also call us GWAILO and as GWAI means devil it means devil man. Black people are HAK GWAI with HAK meaning black. Try calling one WONG GWAI and look at the anger in their eyes. I did the other day when one called me a GWAILO. I told him that if he doesn't like Canadians he can go back to China and work the rice fields.
If all businesses are in their control then all the workers are under them as well. They like living under white people however at the same time they want to take over and have us under them.If you go over their oaths and rituals and know that as the MING dynasty represents han chinese and that the QING dynasty represents the nonchinese that let them into which ever country that they have immigrated to then you realise that they want revenge against us too. Kill the QING, extirminate the QING,destroy the QING etc.... is all in there. Not knowing that the QING represent nonchinese then it is very odd when you go over their oaths and rituals that they are mostly to do with doing ill towards the QING. The QING were nomadic tribes much like the Mongolians and were considered FOREIGN uncivilised barbarians and have been culturalocided deliberately and genocided. What do they call us in cantonese ? LO FAN ? LO mean man and this FAN means FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian. To test if FAN is derogatory try calling them WONG FAN as WONG means yellow and look into their eyes and see their reaction. They also call us GWAILO and as GWAI means devil it means devil man. Black people are HAK GWAI with HAK meaning black. Try calling one WONG GWAI and look at the anger in their eyes. I did the other day when one called me a GWAILO. I told him that if he doesn't like Canadians he can go back to China and work the rice fields.
Lords Of The Rim The Chinese Business Empire
Lords Of The Rim by Sterling Seagrave covers how the chinese business empire has taken over most south east asian nations economies often with just a small percentage of the population. Vietnam kicked them out. Laos I heard did too recently. Malaysians are paying the prioce now for letting them in as ethnic Malays are now third class citizens in their own country. All positions of power are in CHinese hands in Thailand. What you won't find in books though is the information on the oaths and rituals that I have posted on this thread. Also the Jee Gong Tong or Hong Men control the chinese business empire. All top chinese spies,military,Taiwan and mainland leaders are members as are all top chinese mafia members all over the world, top chinese police, business people,military etc....
Is China Becoming a Mafia State? - John Garnaut
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Adding the information that I have posted you can easily unserstand that the worldwide chinese community is akin to a worldwide Chinese mafia civilisation
Adding the information that I have posted you can easily unserstand that the worldwide chinese community is akin to a worldwide Chinese mafia civilisation
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I think a Mafia, or mobsters is what most governments are, but yes China is getting quite good at it since the US helped them the last 40 years behind the scenes through corruption in our government.
I don't blame the Chinese, I blame countries like ours for letting them.
Oh check your PM please
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I don't blame the Chinese, I blame countries like ours for letting them.
Oh check your PM please
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Sorry, I just can't read all that information at 1:57 AM
My eyes are to tired to read through all that.
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My eyes are to tired to read through all that.
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They wouldn't be doing this in Canada of course. Just ask a white lefty. i have heard that they have made even more headway towards taking over Australia than they have Canada. Malaysia ,Singapore and hong Kong have already been successfully FAN QING FU MINGed by the xenophobes that take these oaths and rituals so they have the border connections including corrupt cops on the take in these respective districts. How many FAN QING FU MING agents are there working in Canada and Australias ports,police border services etc...?
They wouldn't be doing this in Canada of course. Just ask a white lefty. i have heard that they have made even more headway towards taking over Australia than they have Canada. Malaysia ,Singapore and hong Kong have already been successfully FAN QING FU MINGed by the xenophobes that take these oaths and rituals so they have the border connections including corrupt cops on the take in these respective districts. How many FAN QING FU MING agents are there working in Canada and Australias ports,police border services etc...?
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China is effectively FAN QING FU MING-ing Australia
China is effectively FAN QING FU MING-ing Australia
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Can you blame them, and we are the ones that is giving them the money to buy us out.
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Being under them is something nobody wants to have to endure
i just ran into a chinese individual who I first met almost forty years ago. Now I mentioned about China wanting and trying to take over Canada and of course he knew. Now he is what bothers me. With two or three million Chinese in Canada and I think that most must know about what China is doing in efforts to take Canada over how come not one is standing up and warning us ? I believe the answer to this is in the finding by CSIS that Chinese Canadians will spy for China against Canada if asked for free and China doesn't even expect to have to pay them. Something is seriously wrong in this picture
I talked with this individual later and I mentioned again
me ] chinese are trying to take over Canada
him ] uh...that's right
me ] and all chinese know
him ] yes
me ] FAN QING FU MING means to those who swear it to swear their loyalty to Chinese taking over whichever country has let them in.
him ] uh...that's right
me ] and all chinese know
him ] yes
Now shouldn't some of them be warning us if they are Canadians ? if they like Canada ? It is very safe to assume too that they know who is meant when they swear to kill the QING , destroy the QING, extirminate the QING etc...
i just ran into a chinese individual who I first met almost forty years ago. Now I mentioned about China wanting and trying to take over Canada and of course he knew. Now he is what bothers me. With two or three million Chinese in Canada and I think that most must know about what China is doing in efforts to take Canada over how come not one is standing up and warning us ? I believe the answer to this is in the finding by CSIS that Chinese Canadians will spy for China against Canada if asked for free and China doesn't even expect to have to pay them. Something is seriously wrong in this picture
I talked with this individual later and I mentioned again
me ] chinese are trying to take over Canada
him ] uh...that's right
me ] and all chinese know
him ] yes
me ] FAN QING FU MING means to those who swear it to swear their loyalty to Chinese taking over whichever country has let them in.
him ] uh...that's right
me ] and all chinese know
him ] yes
Now shouldn't some of them be warning us if they are Canadians ? if they like Canada ? It is very safe to assume too that they know who is meant when they swear to kill the QING , destroy the QING, extirminate the QING etc...
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I agree, but we buying China all the time we are going to be one way or another.
Not much choice since our governments have sold us out.
Not much choice since our governments have sold us out.
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FAN QING FU MING-ing South East Asia
Here is explained what is going on in southeast Asia. They aren't just after Canada. Canada and Australia are easy and most highly valued pickings for them but they want it all and as their oaths and rituals show... want everybody under them....and this will not be fun
Cambodia might be a vassal state now
Chinese firms agree $11 billion deal in Cambodia
AP foreign, Friday January 4 2013
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia (AP)
Cambodia might be a vassal state now
Chinese firms agree $11 billion deal in Cambodia
AP foreign, Friday January 4 2013
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia (AP)
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I don't know who filmed this. The Hong Kong Police Department is predminantly Wo Shing Wo or Wo Group and there are many Wo triads such as the Wo Hop To, Wo Shing Yi etc... which I suspect is because they are the home grown triad adn they also very very involved in aiding the Japanese against the British in the run up to the Japanese WW2 invasion of Hong Kong by sabataging British army vehicles and other similar things. The San Yi On controls Hong Kong's boxing and film industry.
In this video keep in mind that Ming refers to the Ming dynasty which represents Han Chinese and the Ming synasty which ruled just previous to the QING [ Manchurain ] dynasty which represents non Chinese as FOREIGN uncivilised barbarians as was how the chinese viewed the Manchurians [ Qing ] and is reflected in how white people are refered to as LO FAN this FAN meaning FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian with LO meaning man and natives are called HUNG FAN with HUNG meaning red.
I don't know who filmed this. The Hong Kong Police Department is predminantly Wo Shing Wo or Wo Group and there are many Wo triads such as the Wo Hop To, Wo Shing Yi etc... which I suspect is because they are the home grown triad adn they also very very involved in aiding the Japanese against the British in the run up to the Japanese WW2 invasion of Hong Kong by sabataging British army vehicles and other similar things. The San Yi On controls Hong Kong's boxing and film industry.
In this video keep in mind that Ming refers to the Ming dynasty which represents Han Chinese and the Ming synasty which ruled just previous to the QING [ Manchurain ] dynasty which represents non Chinese as FOREIGN uncivilised barbarians as was how the chinese viewed the Manchurians [ Qing ] and is reflected in how white people are refered to as LO FAN this FAN meaning FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian with LO meaning man and natives are called HUNG FAN with HUNG meaning red.
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http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... er-america
China is working against all countries , not just Canada. apparently China is making some very real headway against the USA. They are lucky that Americans attention is being diverted by the loud muslim threat
Gary Oak
Malaysia is a good example of a nation that has been taken over by the Chinese. All Chinese are in Chinese and Malay yet nobody can read the Chinese but the Chinese....and me...Almost all businesses are Chinese therefor everybody is under them. At least the leadership knows and keeps them from having total control. They look down on the Malays as if they are their servants while they enjoy the benefits of living in Malaysia.
http://blog.nus.edu.sg/hy4210/2010/09/2 ... entations/
China is working against all countries , not just Canada. apparently China is making some very real headway against the USA. They are lucky that Americans attention is being diverted by the loud muslim threat
Gary Oak
Malaysia is a good example of a nation that has been taken over by the Chinese. All Chinese are in Chinese and Malay yet nobody can read the Chinese but the Chinese....and me...Almost all businesses are Chinese therefor everybody is under them. At least the leadership knows and keeps them from having total control. They look down on the Malays as if they are their servants while they enjoy the benefits of living in Malaysia.
http://blog.nus.edu.sg/hy4210/2010/09/2 ... entations/
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This deal was done by Canadian prime minister Steven Harper who I had long considered the best Canadian prime minister in my lifetime. I wonder why he did this. There must be something that we don't know. I know the Chinese good enough to safely assume that most of our Candian Chinese support t his deal as they know that it gives China a far better deal just as Chinese Filipinos also support Chinas efforts to take islanmds away from the Philippines. Are the overseas Chinese communities not a fifth column while enjoying the benefits of living among nice people ?
Six Steps to Protect Canadians from Flaws in China Trade Deal
FIPA can't be revoked, but citizens deserve its effects be independently tracked and reported.
By Gus Van Harten, 30 Sep 2014, TheTyee.ca
A Conservative MP's letter attempting to soothe citizens worried about FIPA is misleading says expert Gus Van Harten, who breaks it down item by item
The Harper Cabinet quietly ratified the Canada-China FIPA on the afternoon of Friday, Sept. 12, 2014. Lately I have received messages from people asking if the FIPA can still be stopped and what else might be done to limits its potential harm.
Sadly, there is no longer anything that any legislature, government, or court in Canada can do to avoid the FIPA taking effect on Oct. 1, 2014. The time for action was two years ago when the FIPA was made public. Many thousands of Canadians responded to this need at that time and since. Yet our institutions -- especially the federal government -- evidently did not.
In particular, it is remarkable that no thorough and public study of the FIPA was done by the federal government before the treaty's ratification. As a result, there was no basis for a serious and well informed public evaluation of the treaty. If the decision to ratify was a mistake -- for example, because it may commit Canada to a dependent status as supplier of raw and unprocessed resources for the Chinese economy or because it does not ensure a level playing field between Canadian and Chinese companies -- the consequences of that mistake will now be unavoidable by Canada for decades.
Incidentally, due to the efforts of the Hupacasath First Nation and those who supported and funded their legal challenge to the FIPA, a review of the treaty by a Federal Court judge did take place. Yet the judge who took the case, at the urging of the federal government, focused narrowly on the FIPA's implications for the Hupacasath alone, and not for any other First Nation let alone Canadians as a whole.
Also, again at the government's urging, the judge adopted an exacting standard of proof in his scrutiny of the Hupacasath's anticipatory claims about impacts of the FIPA (the claims were of course necessarily anticipatory because the FIPA's impacts will come only in the future and over decades). In turn, it was easy for the judge to accept the government's argument that concerns about the FIPA, again for the Hupacasath only, were too speculative to require consultation with those affected before the FIPA could be ratified.
The Hupacasath appealed this decision but the appeal was made largely moot when the federal government ratified the FIPA while the appeal was pending. Readers can judge for themselves whether this timing of ratification was a respectful response to the ongoing legal process to determine aspects of the FIPA's constitutionality.
The important point here is that the Hupacasath legal action could have led to a broad and thorough review of the FIPA to inform the public and support a more careful decision on whether to ratify. However, the federal government urged, and a Federal Court judge accepted, that the review should instead be very narrow.
Beyond this legal challenge by the Hupacasath, the only detailed public study of the FIPA, which focused on its unique or non-reciprocal terms, was by me. And I am the first to admit that it is a pathetic state of affairs when a lone academic supplies the only detailed public analysis of the text of a treaty that will have important and long-lasting implications for Canada in our economic relationship with one of the world's most powerful countries.
In any event, my own study is forthcoming in the Canadian Yearbook of International Law and a near-final draft was made public and shared with members of the federal Cabinet in May 2014. For the record: the offices of federal Ministers James Moore, Jason Kenney, John Baird, Tony Clement, Lisa Raitt (my MP in Burlington, Ontario), Leona Aglukkaq, Bernard Valcourt, and Ed Fast were all given a copy of the study last May. None replied. As I thought when I sent them the study: at least they will not be able to say that no one ever told them in detail, before ratification of the FIPA, how its terms favour China and how they differ from Canada's other FIPAs.
What can and should be done now
Whatever the background, it is now clear that the efforts of many of us to ensure closer study and informed public evaluation of the FIPA before its ratification were in vain. Now the question is what might be done to limit its potential harm? I suggest that future governments could be asked to take various steps.
1. The federal government could in future commit to renegotiate the FIPA to address its non-reciprocal elements and unique concessions to China.
Barring agreement from China, the government could give notice to terminate the FIPA at the earliest opportunity. The earliest date that Canada can terminate the FIPA, according to its terms, is Oct. 1, 2030. If the FIPA is terminated at that time, it will continue to apply to existing Chinese investments until 2045. In light of this, the option of termination provides no relief in the foreseeable future.
2. Critically, then, Canadians need an institutionalized way to learn how this FIPA is affecting governments, legislatures, and courts at all levels in Canada.
Unfortunately, the China FIPA is uniquely secretive because of the international legal right it gives the federal government to keep lawsuits by Chinese investors against Canada confidential until an award has been issued. This means that the government can settle a controversial lawsuit by changing its decisions, or paying out public money, without public knowledge.
The Harper government has said that it will disclose lawsuits by Chinese investors against Canada on a website, as it has done for several dozen investor-state lawsuits by U.S. investors under NAFTA. Yet there are problems with the credibility of this commitment.
• First, no other trade or investment treaty concluded by Canada provides that the federal government can keep these pre-award documents confidential. For many years, Canada was a leader in the international push for openness in investor-state arbitration. Why the change in this FIPA? If the Chinese government insisted on secrecy in lawsuits against China, why did the federal government not include a requirement that lawsuits against Canada be made public? The FIPA is non-reciprocal in ways that disadvantage Canada. It could have been made non-reciprocal in its provision for openness in investor-state arbitration to ensure at least that Canadians would be informed of Chinese investor lawsuits against Canada.
• What happens if a government faces a lawsuit by a Chinese investor that would be controversial if made public? Can we trust that all governments over the 31-year minimum lifespan of the treaty will not succumb to the temptation to keep the lawsuit secret? The federal government cannot commit future governments to a policy of openness in investor-state arbitrations under the FIPA, other than by binding Canada to that commitment in the FIPA itself. It did not do so.
• China is clearly less committed to openness in investor-state arbitration than Canada's NAFTA partners. It seems reasonable to expect that the Chinese government may in some cases want to pressure Canada to block publication of information about a lawsuit under the FIPA. The very fact that the federal government agreed to conclude a FIPA that is non-reciprocal in important respects indicates that the government might also accede to demands by China in the FIPA's implementation.
• Chinese investor lawsuits against Canada are of interest to Canadians because they may cause our governments to change decisions under pressure from China or Chinese investors. They may also lead to very large pay-outs of public money to Chinese companies in settlements behind the scenes. This makes it essential that the lawsuits be public so that Canadians can evaluate the costs and benefits of the treaty.
• Canadian investor lawsuits against China are also of interest to Canadians. Yet, under the treaty, China has full discretion to withhold information about such lawsuits and the treaty appears to bar Canada from releasing any pre-award documents it obtains about such lawsuits. This is not in the interest of Canadians or Canadian investors seeking to evaluate business conditions and political risk in China.
• Despite the federal government's claims, its disclosure of documents in U.S. investor lawsuits against Canada under NAFTA has not been as timely and fulsome as would be the case in a Canadian court process. Also, the details of settlements of NAFTA lawsuits that appear to have involved payments of compensation by a provincial government to U.S. investors are murky; in my experience, the federal government and affected provincial governments have been unwilling to confirm whether provincial funds were paid to settle specific NAFTA lawsuits. If governments are not forthcoming with such information when sued by U.S. investors under NAFTA, why would we expect them to disclose it under the China FIPA?
• Ultimately, the federal government's commitment to release information about investor-state lawsuits under any treaties that provide for investor-state arbitration should be made part of a law that clearly binds the government. It is unacceptable that governments in Canada, without public knowledge, may change decisions about proposed legislation or regulations, or pay out public money to foreign companies, due to lawsuits or threats of lawsuits by foreign investors.
3. For these reasons, the federal government and provincial governments should introduce legislation to require officials to make public any information they obtain about the use of the FIPA (or Canada's other treaties that allow for investor-state arbitration) by foreign investors and by officials themselves in order to allow the public to know when and why the treaty has been invoked.
This is essential for the public to be able to evaluate government responses to their exceptionally powerful obligations under the FIPA and similar treaties.
4. Under the China FIPA, a future government could also commit to rigorous Investment Canada Act reviews of proposed Chinese takeovers of Canadian companies in the face of increasing ownership and control of the resource sector by Chinese companies.
The utility of the Investment Canada Act is limited in this respect by monetary thresholds and other conditions -- and the FIPA gives China broader rights to block Canadian investments than vice versa -- yet even so the Investment Canada Act can play an important role.
5. The exceptionally long lifespan and significance of the FIPA calls for careful and ongoing independent evaluation of its costs and benefits over the long term.
For example, it is possible that concerns about the FIPA are overblown. Many of the FIPA's defenders have said this over the last two years, albeit without serious analysis to back up the claim. The next 16 years present an opportunity, indeed a necessity, to study the FIPA's impacts closely.
Will Chinese investment help Canada to obtain value-added benefits from new resource development in Canada? Will the environmental impacts for Canada be managed appropriately? Will the rights and interests of Canadian workers, communities, and First Nations be respected? Will Canadian businesses suffer a competitive disadvantage due to the FIPA's non-reciprocal rights for Chinese investors in Canada and China? Will Canadian investors be protected from mistreatment in China despite the FIPA's allowance for all governments in China to keep their existing laws, rules, and practices that discriminate against Canadian companies?
Monitoring and evaluation of the FIPA will need to be broad-ranging and, above all, public and independent. Perhaps an independent commission could be established to play this role for all of Canada's treaties that provide for investor-state arbitration as part of a broader review of Canada's national economic strategy. The commission would have to reflect genuinely a range of viewpoints. It must not be left to the usual crowd of promoters in and around the federal Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade and in the investor-state legal industry.
Given that the current federal government failed to do any public and independent review of the FIPA before it was ratified, we cannot expect the government to carry out a proper review now. From my perspective, the government appears more interested to deny the non-reciprocal and unique aspects of the FIPA and downplay the costs and risks of investor-state arbitration.
With this in mind, Canadians deserve an explanation for why the federal government would agree to a non-reciprocal treaty with China that departs from Canada's past FIPAs in significant ways. Did China pressure the federal government to conclude the treaty by, for example, detaining Canadian nationals in China? What role did lobbyists in Canada play behind the scenes and who were they working for? What role was played by law firms that stand to benefit by representing Chinese investors in takeovers of Canadian companies and in lawsuits against Canada?
More broadly, an independent review could examine the role of investor-state arbitration in all of Canada's trade agreements and other FIPAs. Investor-state arbitration is a controversial mechanism with important implications for democratic accountability and judicial independence and significant risks for public finances. Pending a review of these matters, the federal government should not conclude any more treaties that provide for investor-state arbitration.
6. Finally, I suggest that the federal government needs to develop a national economic strategy that prioritizes the interests for Canadian businesses, workers, and communities to benefit from value-added activities in resource extraction in Canada, while remaining open to trade and investment with China and other countries.
The federal government has drifted far from this priority. Resource extraction and associated infrastructure in Canada should not go ahead where it will leave behind massive environmental damage in Canada or where the lion's share of the wages and profits will go to foreign workers or companies.
These are ideas about how those of us concerned about the China FIPA could ask future governments to disclose, monitor, and limit the harm done by this treaty. None are satisfying when compared to the stark reality that the Harper Cabinet has locked in Canada to a non-reciprocal treaty for at least 31 years. Yet it is also not a reason to despair. Public scrutiny seems all the more important now as a safeguard against further concessions by the federal government to foreign companies in the brave new world of the FIPA and investor-state arbitration. [Tyee]
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/09/30/Flaws-in-FIPA/
Six Steps to Protect Canadians from Flaws in China Trade Deal
FIPA can't be revoked, but citizens deserve its effects be independently tracked and reported.
By Gus Van Harten, 30 Sep 2014, TheTyee.ca
A Conservative MP's letter attempting to soothe citizens worried about FIPA is misleading says expert Gus Van Harten, who breaks it down item by item
The Harper Cabinet quietly ratified the Canada-China FIPA on the afternoon of Friday, Sept. 12, 2014. Lately I have received messages from people asking if the FIPA can still be stopped and what else might be done to limits its potential harm.
Sadly, there is no longer anything that any legislature, government, or court in Canada can do to avoid the FIPA taking effect on Oct. 1, 2014. The time for action was two years ago when the FIPA was made public. Many thousands of Canadians responded to this need at that time and since. Yet our institutions -- especially the federal government -- evidently did not.
In particular, it is remarkable that no thorough and public study of the FIPA was done by the federal government before the treaty's ratification. As a result, there was no basis for a serious and well informed public evaluation of the treaty. If the decision to ratify was a mistake -- for example, because it may commit Canada to a dependent status as supplier of raw and unprocessed resources for the Chinese economy or because it does not ensure a level playing field between Canadian and Chinese companies -- the consequences of that mistake will now be unavoidable by Canada for decades.
Incidentally, due to the efforts of the Hupacasath First Nation and those who supported and funded their legal challenge to the FIPA, a review of the treaty by a Federal Court judge did take place. Yet the judge who took the case, at the urging of the federal government, focused narrowly on the FIPA's implications for the Hupacasath alone, and not for any other First Nation let alone Canadians as a whole.
Also, again at the government's urging, the judge adopted an exacting standard of proof in his scrutiny of the Hupacasath's anticipatory claims about impacts of the FIPA (the claims were of course necessarily anticipatory because the FIPA's impacts will come only in the future and over decades). In turn, it was easy for the judge to accept the government's argument that concerns about the FIPA, again for the Hupacasath only, were too speculative to require consultation with those affected before the FIPA could be ratified.
The Hupacasath appealed this decision but the appeal was made largely moot when the federal government ratified the FIPA while the appeal was pending. Readers can judge for themselves whether this timing of ratification was a respectful response to the ongoing legal process to determine aspects of the FIPA's constitutionality.
The important point here is that the Hupacasath legal action could have led to a broad and thorough review of the FIPA to inform the public and support a more careful decision on whether to ratify. However, the federal government urged, and a Federal Court judge accepted, that the review should instead be very narrow.
Beyond this legal challenge by the Hupacasath, the only detailed public study of the FIPA, which focused on its unique or non-reciprocal terms, was by me. And I am the first to admit that it is a pathetic state of affairs when a lone academic supplies the only detailed public analysis of the text of a treaty that will have important and long-lasting implications for Canada in our economic relationship with one of the world's most powerful countries.
In any event, my own study is forthcoming in the Canadian Yearbook of International Law and a near-final draft was made public and shared with members of the federal Cabinet in May 2014. For the record: the offices of federal Ministers James Moore, Jason Kenney, John Baird, Tony Clement, Lisa Raitt (my MP in Burlington, Ontario), Leona Aglukkaq, Bernard Valcourt, and Ed Fast were all given a copy of the study last May. None replied. As I thought when I sent them the study: at least they will not be able to say that no one ever told them in detail, before ratification of the FIPA, how its terms favour China and how they differ from Canada's other FIPAs.
What can and should be done now
Whatever the background, it is now clear that the efforts of many of us to ensure closer study and informed public evaluation of the FIPA before its ratification were in vain. Now the question is what might be done to limit its potential harm? I suggest that future governments could be asked to take various steps.
1. The federal government could in future commit to renegotiate the FIPA to address its non-reciprocal elements and unique concessions to China.
Barring agreement from China, the government could give notice to terminate the FIPA at the earliest opportunity. The earliest date that Canada can terminate the FIPA, according to its terms, is Oct. 1, 2030. If the FIPA is terminated at that time, it will continue to apply to existing Chinese investments until 2045. In light of this, the option of termination provides no relief in the foreseeable future.
2. Critically, then, Canadians need an institutionalized way to learn how this FIPA is affecting governments, legislatures, and courts at all levels in Canada.
Unfortunately, the China FIPA is uniquely secretive because of the international legal right it gives the federal government to keep lawsuits by Chinese investors against Canada confidential until an award has been issued. This means that the government can settle a controversial lawsuit by changing its decisions, or paying out public money, without public knowledge.
The Harper government has said that it will disclose lawsuits by Chinese investors against Canada on a website, as it has done for several dozen investor-state lawsuits by U.S. investors under NAFTA. Yet there are problems with the credibility of this commitment.
• First, no other trade or investment treaty concluded by Canada provides that the federal government can keep these pre-award documents confidential. For many years, Canada was a leader in the international push for openness in investor-state arbitration. Why the change in this FIPA? If the Chinese government insisted on secrecy in lawsuits against China, why did the federal government not include a requirement that lawsuits against Canada be made public? The FIPA is non-reciprocal in ways that disadvantage Canada. It could have been made non-reciprocal in its provision for openness in investor-state arbitration to ensure at least that Canadians would be informed of Chinese investor lawsuits against Canada.
• What happens if a government faces a lawsuit by a Chinese investor that would be controversial if made public? Can we trust that all governments over the 31-year minimum lifespan of the treaty will not succumb to the temptation to keep the lawsuit secret? The federal government cannot commit future governments to a policy of openness in investor-state arbitrations under the FIPA, other than by binding Canada to that commitment in the FIPA itself. It did not do so.
• China is clearly less committed to openness in investor-state arbitration than Canada's NAFTA partners. It seems reasonable to expect that the Chinese government may in some cases want to pressure Canada to block publication of information about a lawsuit under the FIPA. The very fact that the federal government agreed to conclude a FIPA that is non-reciprocal in important respects indicates that the government might also accede to demands by China in the FIPA's implementation.
• Chinese investor lawsuits against Canada are of interest to Canadians because they may cause our governments to change decisions under pressure from China or Chinese investors. They may also lead to very large pay-outs of public money to Chinese companies in settlements behind the scenes. This makes it essential that the lawsuits be public so that Canadians can evaluate the costs and benefits of the treaty.
• Canadian investor lawsuits against China are also of interest to Canadians. Yet, under the treaty, China has full discretion to withhold information about such lawsuits and the treaty appears to bar Canada from releasing any pre-award documents it obtains about such lawsuits. This is not in the interest of Canadians or Canadian investors seeking to evaluate business conditions and political risk in China.
• Despite the federal government's claims, its disclosure of documents in U.S. investor lawsuits against Canada under NAFTA has not been as timely and fulsome as would be the case in a Canadian court process. Also, the details of settlements of NAFTA lawsuits that appear to have involved payments of compensation by a provincial government to U.S. investors are murky; in my experience, the federal government and affected provincial governments have been unwilling to confirm whether provincial funds were paid to settle specific NAFTA lawsuits. If governments are not forthcoming with such information when sued by U.S. investors under NAFTA, why would we expect them to disclose it under the China FIPA?
• Ultimately, the federal government's commitment to release information about investor-state lawsuits under any treaties that provide for investor-state arbitration should be made part of a law that clearly binds the government. It is unacceptable that governments in Canada, without public knowledge, may change decisions about proposed legislation or regulations, or pay out public money to foreign companies, due to lawsuits or threats of lawsuits by foreign investors.
3. For these reasons, the federal government and provincial governments should introduce legislation to require officials to make public any information they obtain about the use of the FIPA (or Canada's other treaties that allow for investor-state arbitration) by foreign investors and by officials themselves in order to allow the public to know when and why the treaty has been invoked.
This is essential for the public to be able to evaluate government responses to their exceptionally powerful obligations under the FIPA and similar treaties.
4. Under the China FIPA, a future government could also commit to rigorous Investment Canada Act reviews of proposed Chinese takeovers of Canadian companies in the face of increasing ownership and control of the resource sector by Chinese companies.
The utility of the Investment Canada Act is limited in this respect by monetary thresholds and other conditions -- and the FIPA gives China broader rights to block Canadian investments than vice versa -- yet even so the Investment Canada Act can play an important role.
5. The exceptionally long lifespan and significance of the FIPA calls for careful and ongoing independent evaluation of its costs and benefits over the long term.
For example, it is possible that concerns about the FIPA are overblown. Many of the FIPA's defenders have said this over the last two years, albeit without serious analysis to back up the claim. The next 16 years present an opportunity, indeed a necessity, to study the FIPA's impacts closely.
Will Chinese investment help Canada to obtain value-added benefits from new resource development in Canada? Will the environmental impacts for Canada be managed appropriately? Will the rights and interests of Canadian workers, communities, and First Nations be respected? Will Canadian businesses suffer a competitive disadvantage due to the FIPA's non-reciprocal rights for Chinese investors in Canada and China? Will Canadian investors be protected from mistreatment in China despite the FIPA's allowance for all governments in China to keep their existing laws, rules, and practices that discriminate against Canadian companies?
Monitoring and evaluation of the FIPA will need to be broad-ranging and, above all, public and independent. Perhaps an independent commission could be established to play this role for all of Canada's treaties that provide for investor-state arbitration as part of a broader review of Canada's national economic strategy. The commission would have to reflect genuinely a range of viewpoints. It must not be left to the usual crowd of promoters in and around the federal Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade and in the investor-state legal industry.
Given that the current federal government failed to do any public and independent review of the FIPA before it was ratified, we cannot expect the government to carry out a proper review now. From my perspective, the government appears more interested to deny the non-reciprocal and unique aspects of the FIPA and downplay the costs and risks of investor-state arbitration.
With this in mind, Canadians deserve an explanation for why the federal government would agree to a non-reciprocal treaty with China that departs from Canada's past FIPAs in significant ways. Did China pressure the federal government to conclude the treaty by, for example, detaining Canadian nationals in China? What role did lobbyists in Canada play behind the scenes and who were they working for? What role was played by law firms that stand to benefit by representing Chinese investors in takeovers of Canadian companies and in lawsuits against Canada?
More broadly, an independent review could examine the role of investor-state arbitration in all of Canada's trade agreements and other FIPAs. Investor-state arbitration is a controversial mechanism with important implications for democratic accountability and judicial independence and significant risks for public finances. Pending a review of these matters, the federal government should not conclude any more treaties that provide for investor-state arbitration.
6. Finally, I suggest that the federal government needs to develop a national economic strategy that prioritizes the interests for Canadian businesses, workers, and communities to benefit from value-added activities in resource extraction in Canada, while remaining open to trade and investment with China and other countries.
The federal government has drifted far from this priority. Resource extraction and associated infrastructure in Canada should not go ahead where it will leave behind massive environmental damage in Canada or where the lion's share of the wages and profits will go to foreign workers or companies.
These are ideas about how those of us concerned about the China FIPA could ask future governments to disclose, monitor, and limit the harm done by this treaty. None are satisfying when compared to the stark reality that the Harper Cabinet has locked in Canada to a non-reciprocal treaty for at least 31 years. Yet it is also not a reason to despair. Public scrutiny seems all the more important now as a safeguard against further concessions by the federal government to foreign companies in the brave new world of the FIPA and investor-state arbitration. [Tyee]
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/09/30/Flaws-in-FIPA/