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It has occured to me that Gary Oaks Corner must have a thread on 9/11 as this event is far too strange to not be here


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What happened to the 1,116 missing 9/11 victims?

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It would be easy to collapse a building like those, they should have never been built in the way they did.
The structure was very weak, and the architecture had no idea whet he was doing.
My thoughts though is the Owner was in with this happening, he was going to have to pay billions to get rid of the asbestos, but instead gained Billions.
Also I think someone let it happen in government, to many red flags was out there.

Don't forget the other building number 7 was it.
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In the first half of Wednesday's show, Italian filmmaker and investigative journalist Massimo Mazzucco talked about his ongoing research into the 9-11 attacks, and why he's concluded that the official version of the events is false. In recent years, the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth ( AE911Truth) have brought forward a solid scientific argument that Mazzucco believes both confirms the theory of controlled demolition of the Towers, and disproves the official theory that the collapse was due to gravity.

"When they tell you that four people who had never flown a jet before (they only flew little airplanes), suddenly jump into the cockpit of planes...and perform maneuvers that are described as never seen before by air traffic controllers, and practically impossible by military pilots with 30 years of experience," you don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to doubt the official explanation for 9-11, he remarked. Mazzucco pointed out that it was unlikely that none of the four black boxes were ever found, as well inconsistencies in the official story regarding the collapse of Building 7, which they blamed on fire. He also revealed the little known fact that by the year 2000, the Port Authority, which owned the Twin Towers, was facing an asbestos removal bill of about $1 billion-- the cost of building new towers.
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I mentioned the Asbestos removal so many times, and the insurance the owner received after the attack.
I think he gained 4 billion .
Still I think it was done intentionally with some people knowing, but I think the terrorist didn't know they was used.
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Ten Irrefutable, Devastating 9/11 Facts

Scholars who attempt to elucidate the crime perpetrated on 9/11 – who are commonly referred to as 9/11 truthers – are often criticized for relying on conjecture and speculation in support of their claims. Such criticism may at times be justified, though often made in bad faith. There is actually no need to resort to speculative arguments that the official account of 9/11 is a fraud since there are hard facts that support this conclusion. Here are 10 such undisputed facts:

1. U.S. authorities have failed to trace, arrest, try (prosecute), and punish anyone responsible for the crime against humanity committed on 9/11.

The mass murder committed on September 11, 2001 represents, under international law, a crime against humanity. The State where it was committed – in this case the United States of America – bears the obligation to the international community to trace, arrest, try, and punish individuals responsible for that crime.

Since 2002, U.S. authorities admit they have detained a handful of persons at Guantánamo Bay who are accused of helping to orchestrate 9/11. Their identities remain in doubt; their alleged confessions were made behind closed doors; and their trial by a military court does not fulfill minimal international norms of due process.

U.S. authorities claim to have sentenced Zacarias Moussaoui to life imprisonment for not having warned the FBI about the preparations for 9/11, an allegation he denied. No evidence was presented that he was involved in the preparations for 9/11 or knew anything about these preparations. No evidence was presented that he even knew the alleged hijackers. U.S. authorities also claim to hold, since 2003, a man by the name of Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) in Guantánamo who allegedly confessed to have masterminded 9/11 and more than 30 other terrorist operations. He also allegedly confessed to having planned an attack on a bank in Washington State that did not exist until after he was already in Guantánamo. The man, whose identity remains murky and whose connection to 9/11 is limited to what he said in his ludicrous confession, has not been prosecuted, let alone sentenced. No one seriously expects him to be ever brought to trial, let alone a trial fulfilling international norms.

2. When announcing to the United Nations their decision to attack Afghanistan, U.S. authorities failed to provide evidence that the crime of 9/11 was in any way connected to Afghanistan. In fact, such evidence has still not been produced.

See the letter from U.S. Representative John Negroponte to the President of the UN Security Council, October 7, 2001 (mirrored here).

3. The United States government did not authorize an investigation of the events of 9/11 that could have fulfilled minimal international standards: The 9/11 Commission was neither independent nor impartial, and its investigation was neither thorough nor transparent.

Regarding minimal standards of investigation, see Elias Davidsson, “The Events of 11 September 2001 and the Right to the Truth.” (See this or this)

4. Despite vilifying Osama bin Laden as a terrorist leader, judicial authorities in the United States have failed to charge him in connection with 9/11. He was not even wanted in connection with this crime.

The FBI admitted in June 2006 that it possesses no concrete evidence linking Osama bin Laden to 9/11. (See: Ed Haas, “FBI says, it has no ‘hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11,” Information Clearing House, June 18, 2006, mirrored here)

5. Authorities in the United States have failed to produce clear and convincing evidence that the 19 persons named by the FBI as 9/11 hijackers even boarded aircraft that they are alleged to have subsequently hijacked.

To be precise: U.S. authorities have failed to produce authenticated passenger lists that would include the names of the alleged hijackers; witnesses who saw these alleged hijackers in the airports or boarding the aircraft; authenticated security-camera videos proving their presence in the airports of departure; and DNA identification of these individuals’ bodily remains (see detailed analysis in Elias Davidsson, Hijacking America’s Mind on 9/11 [Algora Publishers, New York, 2013], Chapter 2).

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U.S. authorities have failed to produce clear and convincing evidence that passenger airliners crashed at the known landmarks on 9/11.
The FBI admitted in a letter to the Nevada District U.S. Court on March 14, 2008, signed by Assistant U.S. Attorney Patrick A. Rose, that records detailing the collection and positive identification of the wreckage of the crashed aircraft do not exist (Letter mirrored here). He thus admitted that the FBI failed to formally identify the wreckage found at the various crash sites as belonging to the allegedly hijacked aircraft. It is, therefore, not established that the allegedly hijacked aircraft crashed at these locations.

7. U.S. authorities have failed to explain why more than 1,100 persons, who were present at the World Trade Center on 9/11, vanished into thin air.

Vast parts of the Twin Towers were literally pulverized as can be seen from video recordings, photos, and testimonies. Of more than 1,100 missing persons, not a single tooth, nail, or bone has been found as of 2011 (See, inter alia, Anemona Hartocollis, “Connecting with lost loved ones, if only by the tips of fingers,” The New York Times, September 11, 2011 [mirrored here]). U.S. authorities have never explained what could have caused more than 1,100 persons to vanish without leaving a trace. They bear the obligation, under human rights law, to determine the reason for such disappearances.

8. U.S. authorities compensated families of 9/11 victims that agreed to waive their right to further court action. The compensation exceeded by at least seven times what was paid to the families of firefighters who died in rescue operations on 9/11.

The families of 9/11 victims received from the U.S. Compensation Fund, established in October 2001, an average of $2.1 million if they agreed to waive their right to engage in civil proceedings (see, inter alia, Brian Bernbaum, “9/11 Fund Chief Faults Payments,” CBS News, 4.9.2003 [mirrored here]). As of 2013, spouses of firefighters who die in line of duty can obtain $333,605 under the Public Safety Officers’ Benefits (PSOB) Act (42 U.S.C. 3796). The figure for 2001 was undoubtedly lower. The 95 families, who did not apply to the Compensation Fund and preferred to let courts determine their rights, obtained an average of $5.5 million in out-of-court settlements (see, Ashby Jones, “The 9/11 Victim Settlements: A Chat with Skadden’s Sheila Birnbaum,” The Wall Street Journal, 13.3.2009 [mirrored here]).

9. U.S. authorities have failed to explain the effect of numerous military drills conducted on the morning of 9/11 – including the simulation of aircraft hijackings – on the commission of the mass murder.

Military drills caused confusion and surprised military and civilian personnel responsible for air traffic, as reported in U.S. media. For example, NORAD Major General Larry Arnold said that, “By the end of the day, we had twenty-one aircraft identified as possible hijackings.” (See, Eric Hehs, “Conversation with Major General Larry Arnold,” One Magazine, January 2002 [mirrored here]). Colonel Robert Marr, NEADS battle commander, said he had been told that across the nation there were “29 different reports of hijackings.” (See, Robert A. Baker, “Commander of 9/11 Air Defenses Retires,” Newhouse News Service, March 31, 2005 [mirrored here]). U.S. authorities failed to explain how these drills affected the commission of the crime, including the apparent failure to intercept hijacked aircraft.

10. U.S. authorities promoted numerous officials who, according to the official account on 9/11, had failed to carry out their duties with regard to 9/11. Not a single person has been held accountable anywhere in government for what went wrong on or prior to 9/11.

Here are few examples: Richard Myers, in charge of the Pentagon on 9/11, was promoted to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on October 1, 2001; Ralph Eberhart, in charge of NORAD on 9/11, was promoted to head the new “Northern Command” a year after 9/11; Captain Charles J. Leidig, acting NMCC Director on 9/11, was promoted in 2004 to the rank of admiral; Brigadier General Montague Winfield, who on 9/11 was in charge of the National Military Command Center (NMCC), was promoted in May 2003 to the two-star rank of major general; Marion (Spike) Bowman, who blocked FBI investigations into the alleged hijackers before 9/11, was given an award for “exceptional performance” after a 9/11 Congressional Inquiry report claimed that his unit gave Minneapolis FBI agents “inexcusably confused and inaccurate information” that was “patently false.”

Conclusion

The above facts are sufficient to reject the official account of 9/11 and consider the administration of President George W. Bush as the main suspect for this crime against humanity. While the facts are not sufficient for leveling criminal charges against specific individuals, they permit general conclusions to be drawn regarding the dangerous nature of the U.S. regime and the complicity of the political class, mainstream media, academia, and the justice system of NATO member states in covering-up the crime of 9/11 and shielding those responsible for that crime.

This article was originally published on Truth and Shadows.

In this new and expanded edition of Michel Chossudovsky’s 2002 best seller, the author blows away the smokescreen put up by the mainstream media, that 9/11 was an attack on America by “Islamic terrorists”. Through meticulous research, the author uncovers a military-intelligence ploy behind the September 11 attacks, and the cover-up and complicity of key members of the Bush Administration.

The expanded edition, which includes twelve new chapters focuses on the use of 9/11 as a pretext for the invasion and illegal occupation of Iraq, the militarisation of justice and law enforcement and the repeal of democracy.

According to Chossudovsky, the “war on terrorism” is a complete fabrication based on the illusion that one man, Osama bin Laden, outwitted the $40 billion-a-year American intelligence apparatus. The “war on terrorism” is a war of conquest. Globalisation is the final march to the “New World Order”, dominated by Wall Street and the U.S. military-industrial complex.

September 11, 2001 provides a justification for waging a war without borders. Washington’s agenda consists in extending the frontiers of the American Empire to facilitate complete U.S. corporate control, while installing within America the institutions of the Homeland Security State.

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Today is the anniversary of 9/11.
We lost more than lives, we lost freedoms, and it continues today.
We may never know exactly what happened, but be sure it was more than just terrorist from overseas, it was terrorist in high places here.

Well, just take a moment, and give it to the people who lost their lives, they deserve that much.

This day means more to me than just the tragedy, my dad lost his life in the VA hospital a year before because of incompetence, and it would have been his birthday so it goes hand in hand for me.
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Never forget... :angry: :cry:

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I guess most the children are grown now from those who they lost, and many have moved on to new lives, but today must still hurt a lot for them.
All the search dogs are gone now also, they deserve a thought also, such great creatures.

I guess it was closer to home for you Renee if you lived near there then, or worked there.
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It doesn’t seem like nineteen years have flown by.
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Yeah, 19 years have flown by, people seem to be forgetting what happened now, it's a shame really.
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Blue Frost wrote: September 11th, 2020, 3:41 pm I guess most the children are grown now from those who they lost, and many have moved on to new lives, but today must still hurt a lot for them.
All the search dogs are gone now also, they deserve a thought also, such great creatures.

I guess it was closer to home for you Renee if you lived near there then, or worked there.
I worked right on the otherside of the Hudson. I watched a lot of it unfold. My dad was a lieutenant of the Jersey City police force at the time and he was due for retirement in 6 months. He ended up as one of the command center coordinators at Liberty State Park, which was the muster station for the first responders on the Jersey side of the Hudson. Consequently because of 911 he stayed on the force for another 2 years.

I remember it like it was yesterday. I was 7 months pregnant with my 3rd child and I hadn't even had my first cup of tea yet when someone announced that something hit one of the trade center towers. It was about quarter to 9....Everyone ran to the windows that faced Manhattan (except me, I waddled) and we could see smoke pouring out of the north tower. About 3 minutes later my phone rings and it's my father telling me to go home and get out of the area. He said that they had reports that something, possibly a missile hit the trade center and he didn't want his pregnant daughter in the middle of it, that's when the phone went dead and I started to panic. I'm not given to panic easily but that day I freaked.

I'm not going to relive the entire nightmare here but I will never forget that day...They say that 1 in every 5 people in the New York / New Jersey area where directly affected by the 911 attack. I know 2 people who lost immediate family members in the attack. Their lives have never been the same since. One family friend lost his wife. She was in the North Tower on one of the floors just above the first impact. Ironically she wasn't even supposed to be there that day. She was filling in for a coworker who was on vacation.

This is why when I see and hear people who weren't there or some who were children at the time, talk about how we should forgive or that not all Muslims are bad, I want to choke the shit out of them.

BTW, despite what the left and the news media have reported, Trump was right. There were indeed Muslims celebrating on 911 throughout places like Jersey City, and Hoboken. My father witnessed the reports of them taking place on roof-tops and in the street. The left tried to paint Trump as a liar and a xenophobe but it's they who are the fucking liars. Leftys are garbage, vile pieces of filth in my view. I'm sure there are a few who aren't too bad but I have no fucking time to sort them out.
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They need to start supplying parachutes to the upper levels of skyscrapers..

That way the people have a fighting chance.


Also some steel cable ladders that come from the roof..

Or perhaps an emergency elevator on the exterior... Like the ones the window cleaners use.


There is no way out if there is a big fire or an explosion in the lower levels.
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I'm old enough to remember entering the US regularly before 9/11, since I lived 10 minutes from the border. Cheaper gas, etc.

All you needed to produce was a drivers licence, and often times that wasn't even requested. Sure, they'd still search your trunk from time to time on both sides of the border, but that's to be expected.

And then 9/11 happened, and on top of that some US media outfit published that the Arabs entered from Canada, which absolutely wasn't true... but it created enough fear I guess...

Now both sides of the border have become more 'militarized,' and a passport is required.
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Renee wrote: September 15th, 2020, 3:54 pm
Blue Frost wrote: September 11th, 2020, 3:41 pm I guess most the children are grown now from those who they lost, and many have moved on to new lives, but today must still hurt a lot for them.
All the search dogs are gone now also, they deserve a thought also, such great creatures.

I guess it was closer to home for you Renee if you lived near there then, or worked there.
I worked right on the otherside of the Hudson. I watched a lot of it unfold. My dad was a lieutenant of the Jersey City police force at the time and he was due for retirement in 6 months. He ended up as one of the command center coordinators at Liberty State Park, which was the muster station for the first responders on the Jersey side of the Hudson. Consequently because of 911 he stayed on the force for another 2 years.

I remember it like it was yesterday. I was 7 months pregnant with my 3rd child and I hadn't even had my first cup of tea yet when someone announced that something hit one of the trade center towers. It was about quarter to 9....Everyone ran to the windows that faced Manhattan (except me, I waddled) and we could see smoke pouring out of the north tower. About 3 minutes later my phone rings and it's my father telling me to go home and get out of the area. He said that they had reports that something, possibly a missile hit the trade center and he didn't want his pregnant daughter in the middle of it, that's when the phone went dead and I started to panic. I'm not given to panic easily but that day I freaked.

I'm not going to relive the entire nightmare here but I will never forget that day...They say that 1 in every 5 people in the New York / New Jersey area where directly affected by the 911 attack. I know 2 people who lost immediate family members in the attack. Their lives have never been the same since. One family friend lost his wife. She was in the North Tower on one of the floors just above the first impact. Ironically she wasn't even supposed to be there that day. She was filling in for a coworker who was on vacation.

This is why when I see and hear people who weren't there or some who were children at the time, talk about how we should forgive or that not all Muslims are bad, I want to choke the shit out of them.

BTW, despite what the left and the news media have reported, Trump was right. There were indeed Muslims celebrating on 911 throughout places like Jersey City, and Hoboken. My father witnessed the reports of them taking place on roof-tops and in the street. The left tried to paint Trump as a liar and a xenophobe but it's they who are the fucking liars. Leftys are garbage, vile pieces of filth in my view. I'm sure there are a few who aren't too bad but I have no fucking time to sort them out.
There is good Muslims, but they are not real once, and pretending so they are not killed by the real Muslims.
I had some Muslim "friends" one time, then I asked a few questions, and they vanished :teehe:

I'm glad you where on the safe side of the river, and I bet the day is so vivid still.
It is for me also, like I mentioned my dads birthday was suppose to be on that day, and I watched it as it happened on TV trying to deal with that, and my dad being gone.
I thought to myself so many will now have to deal with the same as me, someone killed their parent, or family member, and nothing could be done to make it right.
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Blue Frost wrote: September 16th, 2020, 12:55 pm
Renee wrote: September 15th, 2020, 3:54 pm
Blue Frost wrote: September 11th, 2020, 3:41 pm I guess most the children are grown now from those who they lost, and many have moved on to new lives, but today must still hurt a lot for them.
All the search dogs are gone now also, they deserve a thought also, such great creatures.

I guess it was closer to home for you Renee if you lived near there then, or worked there.
I worked right on the otherside of the Hudson. I watched a lot of it unfold. My dad was a lieutenant of the Jersey City police force at the time and he was due for retirement in 6 months. He ended up as one of the command center coordinators at Liberty State Park, which was the muster station for the first responders on the Jersey side of the Hudson. Consequently because of 911 he stayed on the force for another 2 years.

I remember it like it was yesterday. I was 7 months pregnant with my 3rd child and I hadn't even had my first cup of tea yet when someone announced that something hit one of the trade center towers. It was about quarter to 9....Everyone ran to the windows that faced Manhattan (except me, I waddled) and we could see smoke pouring out of the north tower. About 3 minutes later my phone rings and it's my father telling me to go home and get out of the area. He said that they had reports that something, possibly a missile hit the trade center and he didn't want his pregnant daughter in the middle of it, that's when the phone went dead and I started to panic. I'm not given to panic easily but that day I freaked.

I'm not going to relive the entire nightmare here but I will never forget that day...They say that 1 in every 5 people in the New York / New Jersey area where directly affected by the 911 attack. I know 2 people who lost immediate family members in the attack. Their lives have never been the same since. One family friend lost his wife. She was in the North Tower on one of the floors just above the first impact. Ironically she wasn't even supposed to be there that day. She was filling in for a coworker who was on vacation.

This is why when I see and hear people who weren't there or some who were children at the time, talk about how we should forgive or that not all Muslims are bad, I want to choke the shit out of them.

BTW, despite what the left and the news media have reported, Trump was right. There were indeed Muslims celebrating on 911 throughout places like Jersey City, and Hoboken. My father witnessed the reports of them taking place on roof-tops and in the street. The left tried to paint Trump as a liar and a xenophobe but it's they who are the fucking liars. Leftys are garbage, vile pieces of filth in my view. I'm sure there are a few who aren't too bad but I have no fucking time to sort them out.
There is good Muslims, but they are not real once, and pretending so they are not killed by the real Muslims.
I had some Muslim "friends" one time, then I asked a few questions, and they vanished :teehe:

I'm glad you where on the safe side of the river, and I bet the day is so vivid still.
It is for me also, like I mentioned my dads birthday was suppose to be on that day, and I watched it as it happened on TV trying to deal with that, and my dad being gone.
I thought to myself so many will now have to deal with the same as me, someone killed their parent, or family member, and nothing could be done to make it right.
Sorry about your dad and that 911 opens a wound that will not heal. Like so many people, that day is forever burned into your mind and you will be forever changed for it. I still grieve for those I knew that lost family or friends that day. It was such a traumatic and senseless event that should have been prevented. This year has been especially hard on the 911 survivors because that marxist pos Di blasio forbid services at the site and the reading of the names of the honored dead. That guy is a huge piece of far left shit and how the native New Yorkers can stomach him is beyond understanding.
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It's just both coincide, and both tragedies, he was butchered by the VA doctors, and they by Muslims, and whomever else involved.
I feel deeply for those peoples families, and then those dying in the blast like they where my own family.
Answers would have helped, justice, and the truth, but would never make it go away from heart.
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Ya, I know I'm going to hell... :laugh:


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