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Renee wrote: July 19th, 2018, 3:03 pm
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Blue Frost wrote: July 14th, 2018, 10:51 am Russia takes more than whats theirs, and the Crimea wasn't theirs.
So many Russian people live there, but you can say the same for parts of Poland, and surrounding areas. They don't own Poland now do they ? Maybe fight the Germans for it again. :wacko:
Sevastopol is a legendary russian fleet base.. The black sea fleet is there.


Ukraine started hinting that they want NATO..

Russians cant have NATO messing around their fleet.


When you think about things and take the anti-Russia goggles off, you notice that annexing Crimea was the right call.
Yeah like annexing Eastern Europe after WWII was the right call... :kez:

Are you retarded?...Annexing a sovereign nation through military force is NEVER the right call. It's not ethical and its immoral. I dont care if the invading nation once owned the annexed nation for hundreds of years. If you think THAT is a valid reason for a hostile take over of another country, then maybe we should just let the Greeks restore Alexander's Empire because it makes the same amount of sense.

Russia is a rogue nation. Their government's view of the world and foreign relations isn't that much different than it was during Stalin's reign. At least when the US wants to expand its influence and national interests, we dont use old fashion strong arm colonialism as the "go to" move. Nowadays we use this nation building crap to create nations and regimes friendly to the US. It's not perfect, it's costly and it sometimes backfires but at least it has keep Russia bottled up since the end of WWII. If the fucking communists had their way this world would be like hell on earth, in work boots an wool underwear for anyone not working directly for the politburo.

The truth is that Trump bungled his first meeting with Putin. He could have handled it like Reagan when he smiled right in Gorbachev's face and very politely said "Look blotch head...it ain't happening on my watch". But no, Trunp just did his little orange TV act and looked weak. Unfortunately there has been a long line of weak US presidents when it comes to Russia, starting with Clinton. Each one weaker than the one before. The Russians understand strength and a no bullshit attitude and nothing else.

Trumps conciliatory bullshit will just embolden those scumbags in the Kremlin even more and worse yet, his failure to tell Putin to fuck off will cost the GOP any success they were hoping for in the midterms and it will add a bunch more false fuel to the Mueller investigation.
Ukraine and Russia have a pact..

You dont seem to understand the situation.. Crimea has strategic importance to Russia and NATO tried to poke around.

America would have launched her nukes for that kind of shit...

Russia smoothly took over.. Not much of a bloodshed.

Last time I checked, america wasnt too happy about Russias influence so close to the american soil.. Cuba..


The russian backed regime was removed in Ukraine.. They had to move in..
America would have done the same.


Trumps mistake was that he took back what he said.. Made him look weaker.


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Are things going south all of a sudden ?

Trump Says He Will Be Putin's 'Worst Enemy' If US-Russia Relationship Falters © REUTERS / Grigory Dukor
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US President Donald Trump said in an interview with CNBC that if his relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin does not "work out," Trump "will be the worst enemy he's ever had."
"Getting along with President Putin, getting along with Russia is a positive, not a negative," Trump told CNBC on Thursday. "Now with that being said, if that doesn’t work out, I’ll be the worst enemy he’s ever had, the worst he’s ever had."

In the same interview, Trump slammed former US President Barack Obama for having been a "total patsy" for Russia. Trump emphasized he has been "far tougher on Russian than any president in many, many years."

Trump also dismissed statements that he's somehow under Putin's influence, saying that he has urged German Chancellor Angela Merkel to recall her support for a new gas pipeline that would deliver gas from Russia to Germany across the Baltic Sea.

"I said, wait a minute, we're supposed to be protecting you from Russia and you're paying them billions of dollars. What's that all about?"

July 16, 2018. President of Russia Vladimir Putin and President of the US Donald Trump, left, during the joint news conference following their meeting in Helsinki
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"Now, you think that's positive for Russia? I'm talking them [Germany] out of things that they [Russia] were given billions of dolars. It's ridiculous, by the way, that that's happening," Trump told CNBC.
In an interview, the president also urged critics to "look at the sanctions I put on Russia."

"Look at the diplomats I threw out," Trump added, referring to the US expulsion in March of 60 Russian diplomats who had been idetified by the US authorities as alleged intelligence officials after the Novichok contamination incident in Britain.

On Monday, Trump and Putin held their first ever full-fledged meeting in Helsinki's presidential palace. The meeting lasted for nearly four hours, with a one-on-one discussion that lasted over two hours, followed by a dinner with the two leaders' advisers.

Earlier on Thursday, Trump said he looks forward to his next meeting with Putin so the two leaders can begin to implement the ideas they discussed during their summit.

Meanwhile, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said on Thursday that Trump had asked National Security Adviser John Bolton to invite Putin to visit the United States in the fall, and the consultations on the meeting have already started.

U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin shake hands as they hold a joint news conference after their meeting in Helsinki, Finland July 16, 2018. REUTERS/Grigory Dukor
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Criticism Unlikely to Keep Trump From Meeting Putin Again – Ex-US Diplomat
The US president came under fire for downplaying the intelligence assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 election during a joint presser with Putin in Helsinki on Monday.
The US intelligence community released a report in January 2017 which it concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election.

Russian officials have repeatedly denied the allegations, noting that no evidence has been revealed to back up the claims. Moreover, Moscow said the allegations have been made up as an excuse for a candidate’s election loss and to deflect public opinion from actual instances of election fraud, corruption as well as other issues.

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Perhaps this will be the beginning of a new era. Rassua and the USA becoming allies. I am not so sure that America can trust the EU. Working overseas in a bar catering to people from all over the world plus having a North American accent I have seen the prejudice against Americans. I new quite a number of Russians there and liked them.

Putin invites Trump to Moscow for face-to-face meeting
Mr Trump had recently invited the Russian president to the White House.

Russian president Vladimir Putin has invited US president Donald Trump to Moscow for a meeting, he has said, but the conditions "need to be right".

Speaking during a visit to Johannesburg, South Africa, he also said of Mr Trump's invitation to the White House that he is "ready to go to Washington".

Mr Trump had invited Mr Putin to the White House last week, after a controversial joint press conference held by the two world leaders in Helsinki. During the conference, Mr Trump refused to denounce Russia for meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

White House appears to have edited video to remove question to Putin
After receiving sharp public backlash for appearing to not accept conclusions from US intelligence agencies that Russia did indeed meddle in the US election, the US president later backtracked, claiming he misspoke in Helsinki. Mr Trump clarified his comments while speaking at the White House, saying he accepts conclusions from US intelligence agencies.

The White House has since announced that Mr Trump had postponed his meeting with the Russian president on US soil. The postponement announcement came shortly after Russian officials appeared to cast doubt on whether Mr Putin would accept the invitation to the White House for a follow-up summit.


"The president believes that the next bilateral meeting with President Putin should take place after the Russia witch hunt is over, so we’ve agreed that it will be after the first of the year,” said Mr Trump's national security adviser in a statement regarding the postponed invitation. "So we’ve agreed that it will be after the first of the year."

Trump claims he is 'very concerned' over Russian election interference
A number of top Republicans have publicly criticised Mr Trump's performance at the Helsinki summit. John McCain, a senator from Arizona, called the US president's comments made side-by-side Mr Putin "disgraceful".

"Today’s press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory," he said.

He added, "President Trump proved not only unable, but unwilling to stand up to Putin. He and Putin seemed to be speaking from the same script as the president made a conscious choice to defend a tyrant against the fair questions of a free press, and to grant Putin an uncontested platform to spew propaganda and lies to the world."

Mr Putin was in the South African city for a meeting of the BRICS nations - made up of the five major developing global economies; Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

During the conference, Mr Putin said that sanctions against his country have turned currency "into a weapon".

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The EU is bought, and paid for with their own agendas that has been undermining us for decades, Russia we had a chance once, but blew it.
I wouldn't trust Russia, and the EU even less, but at least Russia would be a strong partner if we could get along with them, and maybe guide their agenda for better of the world.
If we could pick up China also, the world would be a better place over the EU being involved.
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Trump and Putin at the Helsinki summit, sitting in a tree ...

The orange moron kissing P's ass while he throws his own intelligence community under the bus. Who cares about the pee pee tape ... it's probably money laundering that's he got over T. :facepalm:
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^^Speaking of morons, you must be really pissed off at the latest economic numbers from the good old USA. Last quarter the American economy grew at phenomenal 4.1 per cent. Double that of Canada, but we have an inept dictatorial moron for a leader.

American Women, blacks, and hispanics have the lowest womens unemployment ever.Wages are rising and welfare rates are tumbling which stands in stark contrast to the Obama years. He has got North Korea to stop firing missiles all over and talk instead. ISIS almost wiped out, and hejust signed a new free and fair trade agreement with the EU.

Not bad for a guy the mass media and establishment said could never accomplish anything.
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Shhhh, not narrative
We all know who kissed ass, and got what for it all over the world to little dictators like Fidel, Chavez, Muslim brotherhood leaders as well as Al-quida, Putin, and so many more, but no matter, he wasn't a republican.


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seoulbro 2.0 wrote: July 29th, 2018, 4:36 pm ^^Speaking of morons, you must be really pissed off at the latest economic numbers from the good old USA. Last quarter the American economy grew at phenomenal 4.1 per cent. Double that of Canada, but we have an inept dictatorial moron for a leader.

American Women, blacks, and hispanics have the lowest womens unemployment ever.Wages are rising and welfare rates are tumbling which stands in stark contrast to the Obama years. He has got North Korea to stop firing missiles all over and talk instead. ISIS almost wiped out, and hejust signed a new free and fair trade agreement with the EU.

Not bad for a guy the mass media and establishment said could never accomplish anything.
Yep...and he has only been in office for a year and a half....I take Trumps rude / crude demeanor and his fits of exaggeration over the Obama forced economic stagnation that he subjected this country to as part of his attempt to "fundamentally change America".

I'll take Trump and his dopey bloviations over that vile bitch Hillary and her bulb nosed rapist of a husband, who sold US uranium rights to Russia in exchange for big contributions to their personal slush fund and sleazy campaign. (Collusion anyone????)

I'll take Trump and his orange face and bull in a China shop behavior over Bernie "I'm a hypocrite scumbag, lazy as fuck" Sanders and his thieving, bank fraud, perpetrating spouse, as well.

But most of all I'll take Trump because he is rubbing the collective noses of the liberals in their own dung. He is existing and getting shit done in spite of everything the establishment crybaby libs, the mass media and stupid cons are trying to throw in his way.

He is a "pragmatic doer" and we haven't seen a leader of this kind of action since Reagan. The rest have been nothing more than parasitic scum, pushing personal agendas for the benefit of their bat blind, drooling, sycophants and special interest masters. That is especially true of the previous clown this country sent to the oval office. That rat fuck bastard Obama probably has the words "I'm queer for Lennin" tattooed on his penis.

We who want this country to remain "on the proper track" need to vote in mass this comming November or the socialist free fall that Obama brought to the US will creep back in from the shithole portion of US history that it's been rightfully relegated to these past 18 months.
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Trump has grown on me some, never cared for the man, but trying unlike so many others in office is a plus in my book.
With all the fake news out there being spewed, I have to wonder as always, what are we not hearing because our media is so twisted.
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Blue Frost wrote: July 31st, 2018, 2:10 pm Trump has grown on me some, never cared for the man, but trying unlike so many others in office is a plus in my book.
With all the fake news out there being spewed, I have to wonder as always, what are we not hearing because our media is so twisted.
Agreed, I was not a fan either and I'm still not totally sold but as I outlined previously...he is, and was the best alternative.

Actually I'm very surprised in his shift to the right on many issues. Before his presidential run I always saw him as a typical New York elite, which usually equates to "liberalism".

But in reality, as Charles Krauthammer wrote shortly before he passed....Trump is a "pragmatist". He sees a problem and wants it fixed the best and most expedient way without all the political hand holding, weedling, and back slapping and he will go after the problem in anyway he thinks he can get the upper hand. I admire that. It takes balls.

It's also very refreshing to have a leader that thinks and talks like the average American. Liberals can't stand that because they have been filled with so much false intellectualism and phoney compassionate rhetoric, that they have to have a leader that speaks useless platitudes and gives a dog and pony show of empathy and political correctness, even if it means looking like a total bleeding heart, namby pamby, sack of shit.
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He isn't the last to switch sides, most do who have sense, and loves their family over money while thinking of their future.
Hillary :kez: a lot in her party hated her the time before when she ran, Benghazi, and the many other crimes ran a lot more off.
Her screwing Burnout Sanders kicked a lot of them in the teeth so they didn't vote.
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As I have posted before, if Russia and the USA could be friends much in the manned Canada and the USA were up until idiot boy Justin Trudeau became crime minister it would be a great new era for planet earth I believe.

The Coming American-Russian Alliance Against China

For our part we can't see either the Empire which imagines itself eternal and invincible extending the offer or Russia accepting it but RI is nothing if not a place for debate

While the progressive left sees a Russian spy around every corner, there is a very real possibility that Washington and Moscow will collude for a very big reason—and soon.

Both nations have a reason to fear a coming change in the international order that will impact them both. And as history shows us time and again, a rising power that seeks to overturn the international system can make the most dedicated enemies join forces—and fast.

I can only be talking about one thing: a growing and more powerful China.

No one should be shocked by such an assertion. The simple fact is that we could very well be at the start of a colossal shift in how America and Russia view each other as they gear up to take on a much bigger foe. And we should be clear: if projections hold, the Chinese economy will someday surpass America’s and Russia’s—combined. As economic power translates into clear military strength, the writing could be on the wall for what may come.

Take, for example, America’s overall strategic outlook today. Washington faces from Beijing a clear and present danger that seeks to largely overturn the international system in its favor. No longer close partners thanks to the end of the Cold War, what replaced those fears and kept the relationship viable—a budding economic and financial partnership—is being blown to bits with each passing day. Thanks to Chinese theft of intellectual property, a massive trade deficit that has caused millions of jobs to flee from America to China, and the theft of perhaps trillions of dollars and military secrets, Beijing is quickly becoming Washington’s mortal foe.

And the problems don’t stop there. America and China have a long-running rap sheet of geopolitical problems that at any moment could cause a spike in tensions and possibly an armed conflict in the future. From the East and South China Seas to Taiwan, the fate of which controls Asia’s commons and waterways and straits, both nations seem set to face off over who will not only dominate Asia, but the much larger Indo-Pacific region.

Russia, while it might not want to admit it at the moment, has its own China problem. For now, both Moscow and Beijing talk of a close partnership, growing economic linkages, energy deals, and even robust sales of Russia’s most advanced military equipment. At least on the surface, all seems well between the two great powers.

But not for long. Over the long term, Moscow especially has much to be concerned about when it comes to Beijing’s intentions. First, there is China’s massive one belt, one road initiative that will help interconnect large sections of the old Soviet Union’s Central Asian assets into China’s orbit. Combined with massive energy deals between these former Soviet republics and Beijing and greater economic advantages in working with China than Russia, Moscow must be concerned that parts of what it likes to call its “near abroad” could slide firmly into Beijing’s near control over time.

Next, there is the unfavorable balance of military arms that, as the years go on, will not favor Moscow. As China continues to receive some of Russia’s most advanced pieces of military equipment, like the S-400 air defense system and Su-35 fighter jet, China will most likely pilfer and reproduce such technology as it has done in the past—only to include it in indigenous weapons systems or sell it for far cheaper prices, competing directly against Russia in the lucrative arms sales market. Even more dangerous is that Russia’s own military technology could be used against it if a clash between the Russians and Chinese ever occurred—and history shows that is not out of the question.

Lastly, Russia and China have had a contentious past—and Beijing might someday seek payback for perceived past historical wrongs. When Chinese officials speak of a century of humiliation, many consider that to be a result of unequal treaties and dealings with Western European powers. However, some Chinese look to parts of Asiatic Russia as part of classic China—and may someday, when much stronger, make claims to this area like Beijing does now to various islands and waterways in the South China Sea. With China claiming Okinawa, Vladivostok, when Beijing is far more powerful, could be the next outlandish territorial prize.

While it might not happen right away, and an armed clash over, say, Ukraine or Syria could delay or even destroy any chance of a geopolitical realignment, there is the very real possibility that the stars could align for Russia and America to take on China in the future. Stranger parings have occurred in the past. While we might rightly see Moscow as a rogue nation today, tomorrow it could be a partner in containing a common foe. History and circumstance still stand for no one.

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Is this not solid proof that CNN is a mouthpiece for the puppet masters ? It's all bullshiite and CNN just never stopped going on about Russia ! They made it all up !

The Mueller Report Is In. They Were Wrong. We Were Right.

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25 million wasted, and more to be wasted because you have part two of the harassment, and attacks on Trump, and anyone near him as well as conservatives.
As Trump has said this is not just an attack on him, it's an attack on America.

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All a diversion from Hillary, and her real collusion.
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Wonder if Russia is still any good for brides? Should fly my ass there and do some bride shopping...
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I dont think the sanctions are working...

We get a lot of russians who come here for shopping..


They pay with large bills..

And they look like regular people.. Not the rich ones.



They have been isolated before and they did just fine..

Rouble wasnt worth anything outside of USSR though.
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Seems like they may not be as crazy for Western men as they once were... Maybe life is too good there now, since the Iron Curtain fell.
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A man at my mothers Church married one back in the 70s, or early 80s, they where very happy. :)
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Are there still any countries left with white women that are as desperate as Iron Curtain Russia women?

That would be where I'd need to go to do some shopping! :laugh:
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Mel Gibson wrote: March 24th, 2019, 5:34 pm Wonder if Russia is still any good for brides? Should fly my ass there and do some bride shopping...
Check the local tittie bars....They are probably full of potential Russian brides. And if you are lucky, for a small fee, you can get a test drive or at least a lap dance.

Just remeber to hold on to the contents of your wallet while doing so.
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