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Russkie boys have been showing Hillary good time..


Just like Merkel.


Both of those females have the look of a woman who has done something really, weally forbidden... Like eating too much 7foot tall Dimitris foot long Kielbasa. :teehe:

When Bill was away molesting little girls on a caribbean island.. Russkies came with their tanks to pick up lonely Hillary.


Merkel and Putin are clearly lovers from good old commie times.


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Hillary is likely a Lesbian from some reports, maybe the Russians sent her over a Hod woman for comfort.
No matter her love interest, shes a traitor, and the proof is there, but nobody will lock her up. Maybe they are afraid they will end up like so many others, dead.
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Blue Frost wrote: February 22nd, 2018, 7:47 pm Hillary is likely a Lesbian from some reports, maybe the Russians sent her over a Hod woman for comfort.
No matter her love interest, shes a traitor, and the proof is there, but nobody will lock her up. Maybe they are afraid they will end up like so many others, dead.
Even lesbians go heterosexual when the guy is hot enough.
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I doubt she cares, and just looking for a stepping stone for her objectives.
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Backing my belief that the same people behind demonising Vladimir Putin are the same ones demonising Donald Trump. I notice that CNN both are ruthlessly anti Trump and anti Putin. I believe that both leaders are patriotic and trying to do the best for their nations which just happens to be stopping the efforts of these people many call the globalists. I think that Russia may very well be a more trustworthy ally than the EU. Would it not be great for the entire world if Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin could become good friends ?

Putin to Trump: I’m Ready Whenever You Are

Russia’s Vladimir Putin on Sunday responded to the latest overture from President Trump with open arms, saying he’s prepared to meet with the American president in the near future to strengthen ties. “As soon as the American side is ready this meeting would take place depending on my working schedule of course,” Putin told reporters at a briefing in the Chinese city of Qingdao, pitching Vienna as a possible venue. “The U.S. president himself repeatedly said that he would consider such a meeting helpful. I can confirm this. It's true,” he said. Putin’s remarks came a day after Trump sought to bring Russia back into the fold at the G7, calling on other world leaders to allow Moscow back in the interests of “peace,” despite the Kremlin’s annexation of Crimea in 2014. Putin responded to that suggestion Sunday by inviting G7 nations to Moscow. “We did not (choose to) leave it, our colleagues refused to come to Russia due to known reasons at some point. Please, we will be glad to see everyone here in Moscow,” he said.

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It would be in our interest, and especially his since the gain in the economy would go far for Russia. China also would have to back down in the east some with an American Ally like Russia at their door.
Putin tried it with Obama, but found out what he was soon after, and who needs a weak ally that will fight with terrorist, and destabilize a region like the middle east, and there own home.
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If Obama was actually on the terrorists side then no doubt Vladimir Putin knew all the details.
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You just had to turn on the news, the liberal Media wanted to act like it was so great supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the Al-quida in SYria, and Iraq.
All Obama did for them was great in their book helping them with support.
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I think that it would be great for the world if Russia and the USA could be allies. China and Islam are allies. https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201807 ... ab-summit/ Much of Europe is anti American. I wish that they could just drop their feud and be friends. I do believe that the same forces that are trying to desperately stop Donald Trump are also trying to stop Vladimir Putin.


Trump: I Hope One Day Putin Will Be My Friend

Donald Trump has spoken about his wish that he and Vladimir Putin become friends one day, but said, for the moment, they are ultimately competitors. The two are due to meet for talks in Finland next week. Taking questions after an emergency NATO meeting Thursday, Trump was asked how he sees the Russian president. “Ultimately he’s a competitor—he’s representing Russia, I'm representing the United States,” said Trump. “In a sense we’re competitors, it’s not a question of friend or enemy. He’s not my enemy. Hopefully some day maybe he’ll be a friend, it could happen, but I just don’t know him very well.” Trump went on to say he expects to discuss a range of topics with the Russia president including Ukraine, the situation in Syria, Russian violations of the INF treaty, arms control, and Russian meddling in U.S. elections. “We’ll see what happens—it’s just a loose meeting, it’s not going to big schedule,” he said. “I don’t think it should take a very long period of time. We’ll see where it leads, but it could lead to something very productive.”

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I wish we could be allies myself, but Russia has this issue of wanting others stuff.
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Blue Frost wrote: July 14th, 2018, 4:46 am I wish we could be allies myself, but Russia has this issue of wanting others stuff.
America has that same issue.. :teehe:
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Not like Russia, Russia will take where America deals, and manipulates policies to their advantage. .
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Blue Frost wrote: July 14th, 2018, 9:19 am Not like Russia, Russia will take where America deals, and manipulates policies to their advantage. .
Russia takes what belongs to them.. Like Crimea.

America doesnt annex land but it does remove unwanted regimes.


Russia is just more upfront of their intentions.. But its the same thing.
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Russia takes more than whats theirs, and the Crimea wasn't theirs.
So many Russian people live there, but you can say the same for parts of Poland, and surrounding areas. They don't own Poland now do they ? Maybe fight the Germans for it again. :wacko:
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Blue Frost wrote: July 14th, 2018, 10:51 am Russia takes more than whats theirs, and the Crimea wasn't theirs.
So many Russian people live there, but you can say the same for parts of Poland, and surrounding areas. They don't own Poland now do they ? Maybe fight the Germans for it again. :wacko:
Sevastopol is a legendary russian fleet base.. The black sea fleet is there.


Ukraine started hinting that they want NATO..

Russians cant have NATO messing around their fleet.


When you think about things and take the anti-Russia goggles off, you notice that annexing Crimea was the right call.
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It was still not the right thing to do though, what next take your country because it's a neighbor with weapons you can fight with.
I know about NATO's plans, I'm not for NATO, The UN, or any international body.
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Is President Trump A Traitor Because He Wants Peace With Russia?
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Is President Trump A Traitor Because He Wants Peace With Russia?
The Democrats say he is

Paul Craig Roberts

The US Democratic Party is determined to take the world to thermo-nuclear war rather than to admit that Hillary Clinton lost the presidential election fair and square. The Democratic Party was totally corrupted by the Clinton Regime, and now it is totally insane. Leaders of the Democratic Party, such as Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, my former co-author in the New York Times, have responded in a non-Democratic way to the first step President Trump has taken to reduce the extremely dangerous tensions with Russia that the Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama regimes created between the two superpowers.

Yes, Russia is a superpower. Russian weapons are so superior to the junk produced by the waste-filled US military/security complex that lives high off the hog on the insouciant American taxpayer that it is questionable if the US is even a second class military power. If the insane neoconservatives, such as Max Boot, William Kristol, and the rest of the neocon scum get their way, the US, the UK, and Europe will be a radioactive ruin for thousands of years.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi (CA), Minority Leader of the US House of Representatives, declared that out of fear of some undefined retribution from Putin, a dossier on Trump perhaps, the President of the United States sold out the American people to Russia because he wants to make peace: “It begs the question, what does Vladimir Putin, what do the Russians have on Donald Trump—personally, politically and financially that he should behave in such a manner?” The “such a manner” Pelosi is speaking about is making peace instead of war.

To be clear, the Democratic Minority Leader of the US House of Representatives has accused Donald Trump of high treason against the United States. There is no outcry against this blatantly false accusation, totally devoid of evidence. The presstitute media instead of protesting this attempt at a coup against the President of the United States, trumpet the accusation as self-evident truth. Trump is a traitor because he wants peace with Russia.

Here is Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer (NY) repeating Pelosi’s false accusation: “Millions of Americans will continue to wonder if the only possible explanation for this dangerous behavior is the possibility that President Putin holds damaging information over President Trump.” If you don’t believe that this is orchestrated between Pelosi and Schumer, you are stupid beyond belief.

Here is disgraced Obama CIA director John Brennan, a leader of the fake Russiagate campaign against President Trump in order to prevent Trump from making peace with Russia and, thus, by making the world safer, threatening the massive, unjustified budget of the military/security complex: “Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to and exceeds the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors. It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???”

Here are many more: https://www.infowars.com/meltdown-left- ... in-summit/

And here is more from the CIA bought-and-paid-for BBC:

NOTICE THAT NOT ONE WESTERN MEDIA SOURCE IS CELEBRATING AND THANKING TRUMP AND PUTIN FOR EASING THE ARTIFICIALLY CREATED TENSIONS THAT WERE LEADING TO NUCLEAR WAR. HOW CAN THIS BE? HOW CAN IT BE THAT THE WESTERN MEDIA IS SO OPPOSED TO PEACE? WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION?

The Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, and the North Koreans, as well as the rest of the world, desperately need to notice the extremely hostile reaction to peace on the part of the US Democratic Party, many members of the Republican Party, including the despicable US Republican Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, and the Western Presstitute Media, a collection of people on the CIA payroll according to the German newspaper editor, Udo Ulfkotte, and the CIA itself.

Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and the rest of the corrupt filth that rules over us are all in the pay of the military/security complex. Just go and investigate the donations to their re-election campaigns. The 1,000 billion dollar budget of the military/security complex, amplified by the CIA’s front corporations and narcotics business, provides enormous sums with which to purchase the senators and representatives that the insouciant American voters think that they elect.

Do you know how large 1,000 billion is? You would have to live for thousands of years and do nothing for 24/7 except count to reach that figure. It is a sum that nurtures the recipients, and the recipients regard it as worth protecting.

Therefore, the American public gets not representation, but lies that justify war and conflict. The military/security complex, about which President Eisenhower warned the American people to no effect, is in desperate need of an enemy. In obedience to the military/security complex, the Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama regimes have made Russia that enemy. If Trump and Putin do not understand this, they will easily be made irrelevant.

They both can be assassinated, and that is what the statements from Pelosi, Schumer, McCain, Lindsey Graham, et. al., repeated endlessly in the propaganda ministry that is the Western press, encourages. Trump can be assassinated or overthrown in a political coup for selling out America to Russia, as members of both political parties claim and as the media trumpets endlessly. Putin can be easily assassinated by the CIA operatives that the Russian government stupidly permits to operate throughout Russia in NGOs and Western/US owned media and among the Atlanticist Integrationists, Washington’s Firth Column inside Russia serving Washington’s purposes. These Russian traitors serve in Putin’s own government!

Americans are so unaware that they have no idea of the risk that President Trump is taking by challenging the US military security complex. For example, during the last half of the 1970s I was a member of the US Senate staff. I was working together with a staffer of the US Republican Senator from California, S. I. Hayakawa, to advance understanding of a supply-side economic policy cure to the stagflation that threatened the US budget’s ability to meet its obligations. Republican Senators Hatch, Roth, and Hayakawa were trying to introduce a supply-side economic policy as a cure for the stagflation that was threatening the US economy with failure. The Democrats, who later in the Senate led the way to a supply-side policy, were, at this time, opposed (see Paul Craig Roberts, The Supply-Side Revolution, Harvard University Press, 1984). The Democrats claimed that the policy would worsen the budget deficit, the only time in those days Democrats cared about the budget deficit. The Democrats said that they would support the tax rate reductions if the Republicans would support offsetting cuts in the budget to support a balanced budget. This was a ploy to put Republicans on the spot for taking away some groups’ handouts in order “to cut tax rates for the rich.”

The supply-side policy did not require budget cuts, but in order to demonstrate the Democrats lack of sincerity, Hayakawa’s aid and I had our senators introduce a series of budget cuts together with tax cuts that, on a static revenue basis (not counting tax revenue feedbacks from the incentives of the lower tax rates) kept the budget even, and the Democrats voted against them every time.

When the combination of tax cuts with defense budget cuts came up for a vote, the legendary senator Strom Thurmond, a 48-year member of the US Senate from South Carolina, tapped me on the shoulder. He said: “son, never set your senator up against the military/security complex. He will not be re-elected, and you will be out of a job.” I replied that we were just establishing for the record that under no conditions would the Democrats, who wanted more government, vote for a tax rate reduction even if there was a case that it would cure stagflation. He replied: “son, the military/security complex doesn’t care.”

My emergence from The Matrix began with Thurmond’s pat on my shoulder. It grew with my time at the Wall Street Journal when I learned that some truthful things simply could not be said. In the Treasury I experienced how those outside interests opposed to a president’s policy marshall their forces and the media that they own to block it. Later as a member of a secret presidential committee, I saw how the CIA attempted to prevent President Reagan from ending the Cold War.

Today, right now, at this moment, we are faced with a massive effort of the military/security complex, the neoconservatives, the Democratic Party, and the presstitute media to discredit the elected President of the United States and to overthrow him in order that the utterly corrupt elite that rule American can continue to hold on to power and to protect the massive budget of the military/security complex that, along with the Israel Lobby, funds the elections of those who rule us. Trump, like Reagan, was an exception, and it is the exceptions that accumulate the ire of the corrupt leftwing, bought off with money, and the ire of the media, concentrated into small tight ownership groups indebted to those who permitted the illegal concentration of a once independent and diverse American media that once served, on occasion, as a watchdog over government. The rightwing, wrapped in the flag, dismisses all truth as “anti-American.”

If Putin, Lavrov, the Russian government, the traitorous Russian Fifth Column—the Atlanticist Integrationists—the Chinese, the Iranians, the North Koreans think that any peace or consideration can come out of America, they are insane. Their delusions are setting themselves up for destruction. There is no institution in America, government or private, that can be trusted. Any government or person who trusts America or any Western country is stupid beyond belief.

The entire Russiagate hoax is an orchestration by the military/security complex, led by John Brennen, Comey, and Rosenstein. The purpose is to discredit President trump for two reasons. One is to prevent any normalization of relations with Russia. The other is to remove Trump’s agenda as an alternative to the agenda of the Democratic Party.

President Trump is almost powerless. Putin, the Chinese, the Iranians, and the North Koreans should recognize this before it is too late for them. President Trump cannot fire and arrest for high treason Mueller and Rosenstein. And Trump cannot indict Hillary for her numerous unquestionable crimes in plain view of everyone, or Comey or Brennan, who declares Trump “to be wholly in the pocket of Putin,” for trying to overthrow the elected president of the United States. Trump cannot have the Secret Service question the likes of Pelosi and Schumer and McCain and Lindsey Graham for false accusations that encourage assassination of the President of the United States.

Trump cannot even trust the Secret Service, which accumulated evidence suggests was complicit in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy.

If Putin and Lavrov, so anxious to be friends of Washington, let their guards down, they are history.

As I said above, Russiagate is an orchestration to prevent peace between the US and Russia. Leading military/security complex experts, including the person who provided the CIA’s daily briefing of the President of the United States for many years, and the person who devised the spy program for the National Security Agency, have proven conclusively that Russiagate is a hoax designed for the purpose of preventing President Trump from normalizing relations between the US and Russia, which has the power to destroy the entirety of the Western World at will.

Here is the report from the retired security professionals who, unlike those still in office, cannot be fired and deprived of a career for telling the truth: https://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2 ... ys-summit/

Here is what the clued-in Russian Defense Minister Shoigu has to say about the aggressive actions of the West against the Russian homeland: https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... blems.html
If Putin doesn’t listen to him, Russia is in the trash can of history.

Keep in mind that no media informs you better than my website. If my website goes down, you will be left in darkness. No valid information comes from the US government or the Western presstitutes. If you sit in front of the TV screen watching the Western media, you are brainwashed beyond all hope. Not even I can rescue you. Nor God himself.

Americans, and indeed the Russians themselves, are incapable of realizing it, but there is a chance that Trump will be overthrown and a Western assault will be launched against the handful of countries that insist on sovereignty.

I doubt that many of the Americans who elected Trump will be taken in by the anti-Trump propaganda, but they are not organized and have no armed power. The police, militarized by George W. Bush and Obama, will be set against them. The rebellions will be local and suppressed by every violation of the US Constitution by the private powers that rule Washington, as always has been the case with rebellions in America.

In the West, which the Russians are so anxious to join, all freedoms are dead—freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of inquiry, freedom of privacy, freedom from arbitrary search, freedom from arbitrary arrest, along with the Constitutional protections of due process and habeas corpus. Today there are no countries less free than the United States of America.

Why do the Russian Atlanticist Integrationists want to join an unfree Western world? Are they that brainwashed by Western Propaganda?

If Putin listens to these deluded fools, Putin will destroy Russia.

There is something wrong with Russian perception of Washington. Apparently the Russian elite, with the exception of Shoigu and a few others are incapable of comprehending the neoconservative drive for US world hegemony and the neoconservative determination to destroy Russia as a constraint on US unilateralism. The Russian government somehow, despite all evidence to the contrary, believes that Washington’s hegemony is negotiable.

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Reagan created a good start for us, and Bush sr helped it along a little, but after that they let it go down hill.
Obama, and Bush Jr, especially Obama with his Middle east destabilization pushed us to what we have now, along with the democrats blaming Russia for what they have been doing illegally such as the Uranium deals.
If Trump can fix it let him, and to let Dems know they have real treason with Iran deals, and trading US tech with China, and Russia, Mass murder in the Middle east, and elsewhere.
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Blue Frost wrote: July 15th, 2018, 7:11 pm It was still not the right thing to do though, what next take your country because it's a neighbor with weapons you can fight with.
I know about NATO's plans, I'm not for NATO, The UN, or any international body.
Americans wouldnt like it if some1 messed with Hawaii..

Technically one could back the original owners of that island.

But Hawaii is strategically too important for the USA to simply let it go.
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Odinson wrote: July 15th, 2018, 5:14 pm
Blue Frost wrote: July 14th, 2018, 10:51 am Russia takes more than whats theirs, and the Crimea wasn't theirs.
So many Russian people live there, but you can say the same for parts of Poland, and surrounding areas. They don't own Poland now do they ? Maybe fight the Germans for it again. :wacko:
Sevastopol is a legendary russian fleet base.. The black sea fleet is there.


Ukraine started hinting that they want NATO..

Russians cant have NATO messing around their fleet.


When you think about things and take the anti-Russia goggles off, you notice that annexing Crimea was the right call.
Yeah like annexing Eastern Europe after WWII was the right call... :kez:

Are you retarded?...Annexing a sovereign nation through military force is NEVER the right call. It's not ethical and its immoral. I dont care if the invading nation once owned the annexed nation for hundreds of years. If you think THAT is a valid reason for a hostile take over of another country, then maybe we should just let the Greeks restore Alexander's Empire because it makes the same amount of sense.

Russia is a rogue nation. Their government's view of the world and foreign relations isn't that much different than it was during Stalin's reign. At least when the US wants to expand its influence and national interests, we dont use old fashion strong arm colonialism as the "go to" move. Nowadays we use this nation building crap to create nations and regimes friendly to the US. It's not perfect, it's costly and it sometimes backfires but at least it has keep Russia bottled up since the end of WWII. If the fucking communists had their way this world would be like hell on earth, in work boots an wool underwear for anyone not working directly for the politburo.

The truth is that Trump bungled his first meeting with Putin. He could have handled it like Reagan when he smiled right in Gorbachev's face and very politely said "Look blotch head...it ain't happening on my watch". But no, Trunp just did his little orange TV act and looked weak. Unfortunately there has been a long line of weak US presidents when it comes to Russia, starting with Clinton. Each one weaker than the one before. The Russians understand strength and a no bullshit attitude and nothing else.

Trumps conciliatory bullshit will just embolden those scumbags in the Kremlin even more and worse yet, his failure to tell Putin to fuck off will cost the GOP any success they were hoping for in the midterms and it will add a bunch more false fuel to the Mueller investigation.
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