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This is quite interesting and not the first time I have heard about this. There were people in North America before the red man. Did they genocide them ? Another interesting thing is that Kenneqwick man is about 8 feet tall. The Solutreans in France also madew their spear points in the same manner as clovis people. I learned this in a documentary about 20 years ago


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There is a major theory that people from the coast of France traveled here before the people from the Bering straight .
The evidence is usually taken by today's so called natives and buried before more testing.
Me thinks they would like to keep the term first nations.
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This is interesting. Only about 12,000 years ago then nthe Cetral American natives ancesotrs were on their way south from Canada.

NEW YORK, N.Y. - The DNA of a baby boy who was buried in Montana 12,600 years ago has been recovered, and it provides new indications of the ancient roots of today's American Indians and other native peoples of the Americas.

It's the oldest genome ever recovered from the New World. Artifacts found with the body show the boy was part of the Clovis culture, which existed in North America from about 13,000 years ago to about 12,600 years ago and is named for an archaeological site near Clovis, New Mexico.

The boy's genome showed his people were direct ancestors of many of today's native peoples in the Americas, researchers said. He was more closely related to those in Central and South America than to those in Canada. The reason for that difference isn't clear, scientists said.

The researchers said they had no Native American DNA from the United States available for comparison, but that they assume the results would be same, with some Native Americans being direct descendants and others also closely related.

The DNA also indicates the boy's ancestors came from Asia, supporting the standard idea of ancient migration to the Americas by way of a land bridge that disappeared long ago.

The burial site, northeast of Livingston, Montana, is the only burial known from the Clovis culture. The boy was between 1 year and 18 months old when he died of an unknown cause.

He was buried with 125 artifacts, including spear points and elk antler tools. Some were evidently ritual objects or heirlooms. The artifacts and the skeleton were covered with powdered red ochre, a natural pigment, indicating a burial ceremony.

The skeleton was discovered in 1968 next to a rock cliff, but it's only in recent years that scientists have been able to recover and analyze complete genomes from such ancient samples.

The DNA analysis was reported online Wednesday in the journal Nature by scientists including Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen in Denmark , Michael Waters of Texas A&M University and Shane Doyle of Montana State University in Bozeman. The burial site lies on the property of the parents of another author, Sarah Anzick of Livingston. It is known as the Anzick site.

Doyle, a member of the Crow tribe, said the indication of such ancient roots for American Indians fits with what many tribal people already believed. He also said plans are underway to rebury the boy's remains at the site after the winter.

The boy "was not a chief or a great hunter," but his burial showed love and respect, Doyle said at the Montana Historical Society in Helena on Wednesday.

Next will be a memorial at the site, he said, "Something small, so that the state of Montana, people around the world will know the importance of that place."

In a telephone conference with reporters this week, the researchers said that once they discovered the link between the boy and today's Native Americans, they sought out American Indian groups to discuss the results. Willerslev, an expert in deciphering ancient DNA, called for scientists to work closely with native peoples on such research.

On Wednesday, he noted there were Native American groups who said their oral history showed that they were descendants of the first people in the Americas.

"Well, they turned out to be right," Willerslev said at the Montana museum, where artifacts from the site are on display.

The results are "going to raise a whole host of new ideas and hypotheses" about the early colonization of the Americas, said Dennis O'Rourke, an ancient DNA expert at the University of Utah who wasn't involved in the work.

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AP Writer Matt Volz contributed to this report from Helena, Montana.
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There was earlier people here, those of 12000-13000 years are late comers.
If the so called natives would stop hiding possible other peoples the truth might be known.

Even if i am part "native American" I want some proof, and truth.
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Prehistoric Boy May Be Native American

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The mystery continues as to where native Americans came from.

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DNA has shown that the native Americans came from many places, not just the Bering land bridge.
Polynesian, China even, also some Euro blood has been seen.
The thing is we have had natural disasters that could have wiped out the whole inhabitants, or most in the Americas
The Extinction of the mega fauna was due in part from Volcanic activate.
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We still don't know where the red natives came from. The Inuit origins is known however.


Popular theory on how humans populated North America can't be right, study shows

A popular theory about how the first North Americans moved from Alaska and Yukon into the U.S. and Central and South America can't be right, suggests evidence from lakes in B.C. and Alberta.

For decades, anthropologists had suggested that people entered North America from Siberia via the Bering land bridge, then spread south into the U.S. and Mexico via a corridor that opened up between the melting ice sheets in what is now Alberta and B.C. about 13,000 years ago.

But a new study by Danish, Canadian and American scientists shows that would have been impossible, as there wasn't enough food and vegetation growing in the corridor to support humans until long after people were living south of the ice sheets.

"The ice-free corridor was long considered the principal entry route for the first Americans," said University of Copenhagen PhD student Mikkel Pedersen, lead author of the study, in a news release. "Our results reveal that it simply opened up too late for that to have been possible."

The study was published today in the journal Nature.

For a long time, anthropologists considered the Clovis people to be the first culture to populate North America. They used distinctive stone tools that first appeared about 13,000 years ago and have been found from Nova Scotia to Mexico.

Because that timeline coincides with when the ice-free corridor is thought to have opened up through B.C. and Alberta, a theory was proposed in the 1960s that the Clovis people spread south through that corridor into the rest of North America at the end of the last ice age, said Charles Schweger, a University of Alberta researcher who co-authored the new study.

"There just seems to have been a good narrative, a good story," he said. "But there was very, very little data."

Evidence has been growing that the story was wrong, and some archeologists have argued it's more likely that early North Americans travelled south via the Pacific coast.

Human archeological sites as old as 14,600 years old have been found south of the ice sheet, in Oregon, Florida, Texas and even as far south as Chile.

Meanwhile, no Clovis sites have been found in Alaska or Yukon, although one dating to around 13,000 years ago has been found in Charlie Lake, B.C.. That raised the possibility that it could have belonged to people who came through the ice-free corridor.

But Schweger noted that researchers had no idea what the environment was like in the corridor when it first opened up, and whether it could even have supported humans when the ice was rapidly melting and pooling into proglacial lakes that had nowhere to drain to at that time.

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"It must have been miserable," he suggested. "You had two major ice sheets on either side of you, you had proglacial lakes that blocked you at every turn. How did plants and animals get in there?"

Years ago, one of his graduate students tried to answer that question by analyzing ancient plant pollen from the time that the corridor opened up. That pollen is now trapped in layers of sediment at the bottom of lakes in the corridor. The analysis found that plant life was very sparse at the time when the corridor opened up.

Then Eske Willerslev, an evolutionary geneticist from the Centre for GeoGenetics at the University of Copenhagen and Pedersen's supervisor, proposed analyzing not just pollen but DNA from the ancient lake sediments.

The Danish and Canadian researchers collaborated to collect sediment cores from Charlie Lake and Spring Lake in the Peace River drainage basin straddling eastern B.C. and western Alberta — the last part of the ice free corridor to open up.

The Canadians analyzed plant material and pollen in the samples, while the Danish team focused on the DNA. The results showed that even though the corridor may have opened up 13,000 years ago, there wasn't much vegetation until 12,600 years ago, when grasses and grazing animals such as bison and woolly mammoths started to appear, along with smaller animals like jackrabbits and voles.

About a thousand years later, it was colonized by trees, moose, elk and bald eagles.

That's when humans could finally move in, Schweger suggests.

"Having a tree suddenly changed the game, because now we have fuel, we have shelter, we have a raw material that could be used for making tools."

Eventually, around 10,000 years ago, the corridor was gradually taken over by a boreal forest dominated by spruce and pine trees.

But this all happens later than the first Clovis remains in B.C. south of the ice sheet, suggesting that the Clovis people likely came from the south, not the north, perhaps following wild animals such as bison — recent evidence has shown that some bison did move north through the ice-free corridor.

Meanwhile, Schweger said, "People that used the corridor may never have come from the north."

The researchers suggest the new findings add to evidence that the first North Americans moved south along the Pacific Coast rather than inland through the ice-free corridor.


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I read yesterday that they found a new group that got here not using the land bridge. My guess man has been here twice, or three times as long before they think, and wiped out several times by natural events.
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There is a short video if you open the page

When, How Did the First Americans Arrive? It’s Complicated.
The first Americans weren't one group of people; they arrived at different times, and likely by different methods.

How did human beings first come to North America? Across the Bering Strait, on foot? Down the “kelp highway” by boat? Across the Atlantic via the polar ice cap? And when did they reach here? 10,000 years ago? 40,000? Or were they always here, as the Navajo and other Native American tribes believe? In his new book, Atlas Of A Lost World, author Craig Childs sets off to test these different theories on the ground, traveling from Alaska to Chile, Canada to Florida. What he finds, despite the best efforts of archaeologists and the latest technology, still remains in many ways a mystery.

Speaking from his home in Colorado, he explains why many Native Americans reject the idea that their ancestors migrated from somewhere else; how an archaeologist nicknamed Dr. Poop believes he has identified the first human excrement in America; and why diversity seems to have been built into America’s DNA.

Let’s cut straight to the chase: when did humans first arrive in North America?

The first arrivals keep getting older and older because we’re finding more evidence as time goes on. Right now we can solidly say that people were across the Americas by 15,000 years ago. But that means people were probably already well in place by then; and there’s enough evidence to suggest humans were widespread 20,000 years ago. There’s some evidence of people as far back as 30,000 to 40,000 years ago, but the evidence gets thinner and thinner the further back you go. It appears there’s not a single arrival date. No doubt there was a first person walking in, but when that happened is well before 20,000 years ago.

The solid dates of 15,000 are based on sites where you can find fire pits, burned bones and work stones that have been turned into scrapers and hammers and spear points. When you go back further, you’re finding mammoths that have been shattered open in a way that’s characteristic of humans. Then you start getting into these questions of what really counts as a sign of human presence, and what is just a trampled mammoth bone that happens to look like it was struck by a human with a rock.

Equally thorny is the question of how humans got here. Give us a quick 101.

I spent some time up on an island that is a remnant of the land bridge between the coast of Siberia and Alaska. There, you can see walking across. But when you got to the other side, you’d be facing 5 million square miles of ice; and that’s when you start looking at coastal migrations. People in the Ice Age were already moving up and down the coast of Japan, Kamchatka, and Korea, using boats, and the evidence is clear that they were getting out to places you can only reach with boats.

It makes sense that you would keep following the coast around. The land bridge has a coast, which would bring you down Alaska and British Colombia, to Washington and Oregon. This is the more viable way into North America, because there’s what is called the kelp highway, a biotically rich region that follows the entire coast. During the Ice Age this coast was continuous from Sumatra to the tip of South America. But that coast is now under water, so any evidence of boats and people moving along it is much thinner than people being on the land mass.


ANCIENT REMAINS OFFER CLUES ABOUT EARLY AMERICANS August 31, 2017 - Archaeologists in eastern El Salvador discovered skeletal remains dating back 2,500 years. Four pieces of pottery were discovered along with the bodies as offerings meant to aid the deceased's journey to the afterlife.
The idea of an Atlantic crossing has also gained some traction. Tell us about the Clovis people, and why their stone tools may suggest a European origin.

This has been a big debate for some time, that people some 13,500 years ago were making distinct tools that you can find all over the Americas, so-called Clovis Weapons. This is a new style of weaponry: finely crafted, relatively flat spear points no thicker than an envelope, which required unique skills, and therefore stand out in the record.

Something happened, a cultural change or an arrival. For a long time they were seen as the first people. Now, we’re seeing it more as the middle-age arrival in the Ice Age. Where these weapons came from has also been a huge question for archaeologists. Many have been trying to trace them back to the Bering Land Bridge, but the evidence just doesn’t stack up. Others have tried to trace them to an Atlantic arrival by Palaeolithic Europeans around 20,000 years ago.

The weapons being found along the Eastern Seaboard are in some ways also identical to ones made in Palaeolithic Spain and Southern France during the Solutrean industry. So, it looks like people were crossing the Atlantic, hunting along the ice packs—following ice flows—with skin boats, and arriving in Maryland and Virginia.

I was fascinated to discover that many Native American tribes flatly reject the idea that their ancestors migrated from somewhere else. Tell us about the Navajo theory of the first people.

The first people there came out of the ground. These are stories related to origin and creation stories all over the Americas. Native tribes have clear stories about how they got here, coming out of caves or up through springs and underground sources.

The idea of coming from somewhere else might threaten the notion that they have primacy on the lands. But, they obviously do because they are coming from these much older stories than anybody else. I look at these stories of arrival and think, “Yeah, they come out of the ground because that is how deep their history goes.” It’s a non-scientific view of the world, but it gives us a window into what it means to be in a place for that long.

Of course, the world looked very different 15,000 years ago. Summon up a picture for us from the mists of time, and explain the importance of the woolly mammoth.

The landscape people walked into was substantially different. The animals were much larger. You have mammoths, dire wolves, and sabre tooth cats.

Everything is very big and very woolly, and in some places armoured. There were 300-pound armadillos living in Florida and Louisiana, so you’re talking about a very different landscape and way of living. But there were many places that looked the same. Other parts, including most of Canada, were completely covered with ice.

There are a number of sites in Alaska, like Swan Point, where you can see signs of mammoth hunting. But mammoths probably weren’t their mainstay. Early people were eating salmon, seaweed, deer, and rabbit. The mammoth hunts were probably culturally important, much like the northern whale hunts. At Swan Point multiple mammoths were killed at once, which you can imagine was a dramatic scene of people and dogs gathering together and going after this animal that’s 13 feet tall and extremely dangerous. Hunting whales in the north out of skin boats is also a dangerous endeavour, and people have often been killed. I imagine the same thing happened while hunting mammoths. You would have these stories of epic mammoth hunts, who died and who lived, and these stories would have been passed down for thousands of years.

You actually recreated part of the journey across the land bridge on Alaska’s Harding Icefield. Take us inside that adventure and what it told you about the first arrivals. Did you get dressed up in furs and carry a spear?

No, I decided that if I dressed up in furs and carried a spear, I would have probably died. [laughs] I took modern gear—sleds, skis, and backpacks— and made about a 4,000-foot ascent through fresh snow, trying to hit the ice field at the right time of year, just as winter was letting off. Once we got up there, we clicked in the skis, put our gear on a sled, and headed across the ice.

I wanted to get a sense of what it’s like to travel as a group into a desolate ice landscape, climb up on the peaks that stand out on the ice field and get a sense of navigation in this landscape, which is a remnant of what was there during the Pleistocene. In one sense, it told me that this is the worst way to do it. [laughs] That crossing a giant ice field is a ridiculous notion. That’s not to say it didn’t happen. Humans have often done ridiculous things! Being out there on the ice I thought this is maybe where the crazy people went, the ones who were looking to fall off the edge of the Earth. At the same time, as we climbed the mountain ranges sticking up through the ice, I could see how you could have hopped your way from one summit to the next down the entire length of the ice sheet to arrive in the rest of North America.

But it also made me turn to the coastal migration theory, and say, “That makes sense!” There, you would be moving through a water landscape of islands and coasts rich with kelp and fish, as opposed to eating lichens and trying to catch birds on a 2,000-mile journey across an ice sheet. [laughs]

One of the experts you consult has the wonderful nickname, Doctor Poop. Tell us about him and his work on what you call “the earliest identified human craps in America.”

This is Paisley Caves, in the desert of southern Oregon. There, Dr. Dennis Jenkins, aka Doctor Poop, found the oldest human coprolites, which I believe are 14,300 years old. He explained to me that, in the caves, he has also found the scat of American lions and other predators. My question to him was, “How do you know that these were pieces of human faeces and not humans that were eaten by American lions and then shat out in the caves?” His response was that either way, you’d know that humans were here. This is such a basic function: a human goes into a cave, craps, and leaves it there. This is a story of people arriving and leaving their sign behind.

Bring it home for us, Craig, by telling us what you believe is ultimately the real story of the populating of North America, and what surprised you most during your travels?

What I took away was that people came from everywhere. We think of the arrival of the first people as one group braving their way across a land bridge, when in fact it was many groups, many different languages, and technologies arriving at different times from different directions. This makes sense because that’s how we do things as humans. It’s not just one group. It is this complex story of many people, with many different stories.

For me, it was an opportunity to explore landscapes I wouldn’t normally go to, like an island off the coast of Siberia or crossing an ice field in Alaska. The most fascinating place I saw was a back woods river south of Tallahassee, Florida, where human evidence from 14,500 years ago was found. Just being in these swamps with a boat, surrounded by alligators and poison snakes, gave me a sense of coming into a landscape I didn’t know and encountering animals I wasn’t familiar with. There were many moments like this, where I felt this must have been something like how it was to be first in a place; to have to figure out which direction is which, what animals you have to avoid, what plants you can eat or can’t touch. For me, this was a new beginning, a way of coming into my own continent.

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"This is such a basic function: a human goes into a cave, craps, and leaves it there."

WTF....is this Dr Poop on dope?

I find it hard to believe that our paleolithic ancestors crapped in their nest. That's not exactly conducive to long term survival of any species let alone humans.

And even if they did shit in their caves, when did they stop that practice? American Indians were known to have dug latrines so they could shit outside and away from their shelters. When it came to personal hygiene and toilet habits, they were actually years ahead of the first Europeans on the North American continent.
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:laugh: The fascination with poo goes way back, maybe he was recycling the corn :woot: :woot: :woot:
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I suspect that some did come from Europe as they have found evidence of this in Florida and genetic evidence of this in Quebec, I would imagine some Polynesians mad it to the west coast of the Americas but natives from Canada right down to South America all have that flat ass and flaring rib cage. Could it be that there’s a main base population that absorbed the random foreign groups ?
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From what I seen, and read there was at least 7 different peoples that came, and likely more, people from today's France was one of the earliest known.
Polynesians hit down south, and I wouldn't doubt that the fabled giant red head people where from the steps , the Kergan people which where wanderers even Plato knew about, and they lived in China with the people there. They where great Mammoth hunters which followed them likely to the Americas.
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I agree with what you just posted however the giant red haired people is a real mystery. The natives didn’t have tv, the internet , smart phones etc..,. So they would passed stories. If an lifespan was say forty years ( for the lucky ones ) a hundred lifetimes is 4,000 years. I can easily see how something as eventful as a red haired giant threat being passed down for a very long time during story time at night around the fire. In the very fascinating book Magicians Of The Gods by Graham Hancock it is recounted legends and evidence of a possible comet strike about 12,800 years ago which started a 1,300 year cold and dark era.
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Actually they go back a lot further, maybe 20000 years or more I have read.
My guess is that asteroid that hit north America, and the fry period wiped a lot out, and covered the evidence.
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I kind of think they are wrong on the dates sometimes, and history, people where here long before the date they say, not just white either.

Scientists discover DNA proving original Native Americans were
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“This is a new population of Native Americans – the white Native American”

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A new discovery of ancient DNA may overturn the idea that the Native Americans were the first to have populated the American continent. Instead, a new group known as the ancient Beringians, who are more closely related to modern white Europeans has been discovered by researchers. Genetic analysis of a baby girl who died at the end of the last ice age shows she belonged to this previously unknown ancient group of Beringians.

A baby girl who lived and died in what is now Alaska, at the end of the last ice age belonged to a previously unknown group of ancient people who branched off from the ancestors of modern Europeans, according to DNA recovered from her bones.

The child, a mere six weeks old when she died, was found in a burial pit next to the remains of a stillborn baby, perhaps a first cousin, during excavations of an 11,500-year-old residential camp in Tanana River Valley in Central Alaska. The remains were discovered in 2013, but a full genetic analysis has not been possible until now.

Researchers tried to recover ancient DNA from both of the infants but succeeded only in the case of the larger individual. They had expected her genetic material to resemble modern northern or southern lineages of Native Americans, but found instead that she had a distinct genetic makeup that made her a member of a separate population.

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A new genome from a Pleistocene burial in Alaska confirms a longstanding belief that European ancestors first arrived in America.

The newly-discovered group, named “ancient Beringians,” appears to have split off from the Europeans around 20,000 years ago and made their way to North America via Alaska, when a frozen land bridge made the crossing from Europe and Asia into North America possible. The ancient Beringians then pushed south as the ice caps melted and mixed with other Native American populations, which is why many Native Americans today also exhibit physical characteristics more commonly associated with whites. According to Eske Willerslev, an evolutionary geneticist at the University of Copenhagen, whose team recovered the girl’s DNA from a dense part of her skull known as the petrous bone,

“This is a new population of Native Americans – the white Native American.”

The findings which were published in the scientific journal Nature, are controversial and represent a growing body of evidence being discovered across the world that suggests the origins of the human race may have been Europe and not Africa as once believed.

Working with scientists at the University of Alaska and elsewhere, Willerslev compared the genetic makeup of the baby, named Xach’itee’aanenh t’eede gaay or “sunrise child-girl” by the local community, with genomes from other ancient and modern people. They found that nearly half of the girl’s DNA came from the ancient north Europeans who lived in what is now Scandinavia. The rest of her genetic makeup was a roughly even mix of DNA now carried by the northern and southern Native Americans. Using evolutionary models, the researchers showed that the ancestors of the first Native Americans started to emerge as a distinct population about 35,000 years ago. About 25,000 years ago, this group mixed and bred with ancient north Asians in the region, the descendants of whom went on to become the first white Europeans to settle the New World.

During the last ice age, so much water was locked up in the ice caps that a land bridge reached from Europe and Asia to North America across what is now the Bering Strait. Willerslev believes the ancestors of these early white Europeans traveled to the continent in a single wave of migration more than 20,000 years ago. Those who settled in the north became the ancient Beringians, he said, while those who moved south, around or through the ice sheets, split into the north and south Native Americans about 15,700 years ago.

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But there is another possibility. Ben Potter, an archaeologist on the team from the University of Alaska in Fairbanks, suspects that the Beringians split from the ancestors of other Native Americans in Europe before both groups made their way across the land bridge to North America in separate migrations,

“The support for this scenario is pretty strong. We have no evidence of people in the Beringia region 20,000 years ago.”

Potter suggests that alternatively, these early European settlers may have mixed with Asians before crossing over to North America and were responsible for creating the original Native American people. The families who lived at the ancient camp may have spent months there, Potter said. Excavations at the site, known as Upward Sun River, have revealed at least three tent structures that would have provided shelter. The two babies were found in a burial pit beneath a hearth where families cooked salmon caught in the local river. The cremated remains of a third child, who died at the age of three, were found on top of the hearth at the abandoned camp.

Connie Mulligan, an anthropologist at the University of Florida, said the findings pointed to a single migration of people from Europe to the New World via Asia, but said other questions remained.

“How did people move so quickly to the southernmost point of South America and settle two continents that span a huge climatic and geographic range?”

But it may also be testimony to the hardiness of white European genes and their desire for better living conditions. With the land bridge from Asia to North America fast disappearing and in search of better food and water, the early Europeans would have feasted on the salmon they caught in the wild, which would no doubt would have enhanced their cognitive faculties and ability to anticipate and assess the rapidly changing situation.

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David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard University, said the work boosted the case for a single migration into Alaska and then onward to North and South America, but he did not rule out alternatives involving multiple waves of migration. He added that he was unconvinced that the ancient Beringian group split from the ancestors of other Native Americans 20,000 years ago, because even tiny errors in scientists’ data can lead to radically different split times for evolutionary lineages.

“While the 19,000-21,000 year date would have important implications if true and may very well be right, I am not convinced that there is compelling evidence that the initial split date is that old.”

“It’s entirely possible that they were ancient Europeans through and through.”
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I find it hard to believe that white people could evolve into red natives but it is interesting that whites made it across the Alaskan Russian land bridge. There have been many fair sized white mummies found in what is now western China. How much of our prehistory is just speculation and disinformation ? I suspect a lot of it is.
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There geographical adaptive traits you gain from being in a place over generations which tells me they had been there a lot longer than the dates say.
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It’s very likely that these footprints are by red natives however they appear to show that the Americas were peopled long before what is taught in university.
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