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If any of these scenarios occur then I believe there may not be a grid to get off of. Knowing how to live off of the land like everybody pre one huundred years ago knew how to do will peobably be necessary. I hope it never happens but I want to be prepared just in case. No doubt Russia,China and Iran have looked into strategies using an EMP. I would imagine that invasion forces would be arriving immediately.


Amerageddon: America Without Electricity

Today we often take our electricity and communications for granted. The degree to which modern economies and modern societies rely upon both is staggering with everything from food production and delivery to pumping the fuel for transportation and the power for communications completely dependent on electricity.



The quaint belief that we would revert to the rustic 1800s in the event of a catastrophic interruption to our power grid is dangerously off the mark too. In the 1800s, we did not depend on thousand-plus mile food supply chains, electronic banking and the skill set of the average worker included tasks useful without electric power, unlike office workers, digital media specialists, truckers and thousands of other professions today.

While a localized and short-lived blackout can be dealt with as an emergency situation and supplies trucked in from outside, a sustained national blackout would pull society into a lawless dark ages closer to the year 1100 than 1810, accompanied by mass starvation in a society suddenly unable either to produce or distribute sufficient food.

As unsettling as a potential grid failure may be, the fact that reliable electric power has simply always been there makes the issue all too easy for the public, and the political class, to ignore.

Delta Airlines offered a small glimpse of the effects of a localized power outage, cause still unknown, when a blackout at its central offices in Atlanta, Georgia caused all of its computers across the globe to go offline on August 8th. All Delta planes were grounded for six hours and passengers delayed for much longer as flights began to back up.

Economic crisis has plunged Venezuela into rolling blackouts across wide areas of the country in the past two years and, in several Venezuelan states, electricity is being rationed to just a few hours per day when it is available at all. Food spoils, hospitals go dark, and communications are silenced. But could worse happen in the United States?

Venezuela is far from a developed country at this point and if comparisons are to be made, they only serve to highlight the devastating effects of mismanagement and neglect. Developed as the US may be, however, a 2014 report from the International Business Times found that "aging infrastructure and a lack of investment to modernize the grid" has resulting in the startling fact that the United States experiences more blackouts than any other developed nation.

Working from Federal data, the report found that the US now experiences 285% more blackouts than it did in 1984 when data collection began.

The electric grid is actually an interconnected network of three majors grids in the United States: the Western Interconnection, Eastern Interconnection and the Texas Interconnection. A plant failure or spike in demand localized in one section of the Eastern Interconnection will automatically trigger dynamic load balancing within that grid zone but if the entire grid requires more power, the system is set up to draw power from the other two interconnection zones.

This allows demand to be efficiently balanced throughout the system but it also allows certain types of failures to cascade throughout vast geographic areas under the right conditions.

There are three major threats to the US electric grid today: a solar flare, a manmade electromagnetic pulse and sabotage. A solar flare able to generate an EMP would be amplified by the length of the electrical system, overloading transformers and all forms of electronics on an unprecedented scale.

A manmade EMP, like those generated from a nuclear blast, would have a similar effect of overloading circuitry in millions of pieces of electronics of a large area. But it is cyber-warfare that now a serious threat, as well.



The 2016 election cycle has brought Russian hacking of the Democratic Party into the headlines, but these accusations seem relatively benign next to recent uses of computer viruses as cyber-weapons to destroy industrial machinery and shut down national infrastructure.

Perhaps the first use of a "logic bomb" occurred when the United States infiltrated a Canadian software company that designed gas pipeline pressure controls for the Soviet Union. In 1982, months after installation, the faulty code triggered an explosion in Siberia that was visible from space.

In 2010, the US used the Stuxnet computer virus to target, infiltrate and destroy the logic controllers manufactured by Siemens on the centrifuges of the Natanz nuclear plant in Iran. But with the interconnected nature of power grids, the effects promise to be far more devastating, as Russia demonstrated in Ukraine less than nine months ago.

On December 23rd, 2015, the Prykarpattyaoblenergo power distribution station in Ukraine was hit by a carefully coordinated cyber-attack that was months in the making. The technicians lost control of their cursors as they watched hackers open breakers and take circuit after circuit offline, plunging 230,000 residents into darkness.

The hackers took backup power of the stations offline, plunging the electrical workers into darkness too, and worse yet, they even rewrote the low-level firmware that controls the electrical transformers. The attack had come after months of careful infiltration and planning by a dedicated team of elite cyber-warfare specialists and the result was devastating.

Even months later, technicians struggled to regain full capacity in the electrical grid due to the overwriting of firmware. With Ukrainian moves to nationalize power companies, it is possible that the powerful and Putin-connected Russian oligarchs who own large parts of Ukraine's infrastructure were sending a message: we can shut down the system anytime we want.

In the United States, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission issued a recent report stating that "all it would take to plunge the entire nation into darkness for more than a year would be to knock out a transformer manufacturer and just 9 of our 55,000 electrical substations on a really hot summer day".

A combination of cyber-warfare and physical attacks could easily cripple the United States' overburdened system, the report found.

Considering the recent escalation in aggressive cyber-attacks on the West from China, North Korea, Syria, Iran and Russia, the danger has never been more real. Even the generator systems themselves have been shown to be vulnerable to cyber-attacks. The Aurora Generator Test demonstrated a destructive cyber-attack using viruses to force a generator to rapidly switch on and off until it physically destroyed itself.

Cyber-warfare has become the battleground of the future but the effects move far beyond cyberspace when planes are grounded, the lights go out and hundreds of electrical substations and generators are destroyed.

With the billions of dollars and thousands of hackers that nations are pouring into offensive cyber-weapons, the electrical grid is has become an even more-inviting target. We may be only one light switch away from a radically different world that few of us are prepared for.

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Remember there is solar panels all around now running cameras, and lights around highways, and intersections :)
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This mans survival knowledge paid off. Hopefully I won't ever need to use the survival knowledge I have learned over the years.

The man who came back from the dead after getting lost in the Arctic

Grandfather Egor Tarasov's 'miraculous' survival story of 42 days alone in the tundra with polar and brown bears, and wolves.

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The article is gone :think:
I did read it thought, and thought I posted a reply yesterday about it, or the day before :think:
Amazing he made it, and went so far off like that not equipped for it.
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I originally put this on the Arctic and Antarctic mysteries thread but then thought that this thread would be more appropriate.
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The first world war began so fast and everybodies world was turned upside down. I do believe that world war three could go off even faster. hopefully not in my lifetime.

How to Cope With the End of the World

An aggressive viral plague has struck humanity. Spreading astonishingly quickly through our modern world of dense cities and international airliners, we’d already lost the fight in a matter of weeks.
Civilisation has collapsed and the vast majority of humanity has died. But you’ve survived. You fell deliriously ill, but through some innate immunity you lived through the raging fever, and have woken up in your cold house, with no electricity, no water in the taps or gas feeding the boiler or stove. The streets are eerily quiet, and no airplane contrails criss-cross the sky. You’re a survivor in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
These are all tropes we’re familiar with from books like Canticle for Leibowitz or The Road, recent computer games like The Last of Us, and films like I Am Legend or Mad Max. On the whole, these narratives feature protagonists wearing a little too much tight leather, and a lone hero striving through the wilderness. But how realistic are these scenarios?
If you did ever find yourself a survivor of a global catastrophe that wiped out most of humanity, what could you do about it? What would be the most vital knowledge you’d need to survive, and eventually thrive? It’s here that the lone hero trope falls down. There’s safety in numbers, and of course, we were only able to progress through history and build the modern world in the first place by working together; humanity is an inherently social, collaborative species. So while there will undoubtedly be a period of turmoil following a collapse, people will once again settle down into communities soon enough.
The question is, what next…? What will be your immediate priorities, and what capabilities should your community aim to recover over the following years? This is one possible chronology.
First few Days
Once people stop monitoring and maintaining the power stations, the grid will go down pretty quickly. But by scavenging solar panels, or portable generators from a building site, you’ll be able to keep your life electrified for the time being.
The internet will evaporate as soon as the servers behind it start dropping-off as the fuel in their automatic back-up generators runs out, so don’t think that you’ll be able to rely on Wikipedia for knowledge. But this doesn’t mean your smartphone will become a useless brick. The compass uses an internal magnetometer so you’ll still be able to find your way around, and in fact the last map you loaded will continue to help you navigate with GPS.
The GPS satellite network will continue working well for a few weeks after the collapse, but after about six months the position accuracy will have degraded until it’s all-but-useless. Your priorities in the immediate aftermath will be to ensure you find a stockpile of bottled water and canned food, and also a set of decent outdoors clothing.
First Weeks
In the first few weeks you’ll probably have encountered pockets of other survivors. Treat strangers with a wary caution until you’ve found a small band you can trust and rely upon for mutual protection, and this will also greatly improve the effectiveness with which you can forage for supplies and scavenge what you need.
By now, the urban area you started in is beginning to get pretty unpleasant. The stench of innumerable rotting bodies fills the air, and unfed pet dogs have formed into increasingly aggressive packs. In any case, a modern city is a grossly artificial bubble, supported only by the civilisation that constructed it.
Without mains electricity to run lifts or lighting, natural water sources likely contaminated, and the ground itself smothered in tarmac and concrete, you’ll find life easier in a more rural setting. A traditional farmhouse with fireplaces for heating and cooking will be far more comfortable after the collapse than a modern high-tech apartment. You can always make scavenging forays back into the crumbling urban areas to restock supplies while you try to relearn how to make and do things for yourself.
First Months
Your main concern is going to be how to secure safe drinking water and avoid the water-borne diseases that have been the scourge of humanity for millennia. Boiling is a sure-fire way to kill pathogens but uses a great deal of fuel. Purification tablets can be scavenged from camping stores but sooner or later you will need to apply some basic chemistry to ensure the water you put to your lips isn’t going to kill you.
Water can be chemically disinfected by scavenging kitchen bleach or even swimming pool chlorine (sodium hypochlorite and calcium hypochlorite) and diluting it enough so that it kills microbes but doesn’t poison you. Here you are exploiting the chemistry of chlorine, which also underlies the tap water we drink today – historically, it was such developments in hygiene and public health that enabled us to live in fabulously dense cities.
Until you’ve worked out how to make chlorine yourself, a very low-tech method for water disinfection can be used: solar disinfection. This is a technique being taught around the developing world by the WHO, and simply involves filling a plastic bottle with suspect water and leaving it in bright sunshine for a day or two. The ultraviolet rays from the Sun will pass right through the bottle and kill any pathogens.
Simply washing your hands is also exceedingly effective at blocking disease transmission. Soap can be made by hydrolysing animal fat or plant oils; by boiling with alkalis. Alkalis are one of the most crucial classes of chemicals throughout history, and can be extracted from your natural environment. Potash (potassium carbonate) can be extracted by trickling water through ashes from a hardwood fire, and soda ash from burned seaweed or other salt-tolerant coastal plants like samphire or saltwort. Collecting seaweed for soda production was a huge industry along the Atlantic coasts of Scotland and Ireland for centuries.

there is quite a bit more on this topic on this page http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2016112 ... -the-world
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It would be catastrophic today, even the hard core preppers might not even be ready for it.
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Do the elite know something is going to happen and when that may be É The elite apparently are preparing to get off of the grid in style. If you open the page you can check out the kind of fantastic bunkers the elite have prepared for themselves. This would cost a lot of cash and would they really waste that kind of money on a hunch ?


Why Are So Many Among The Elite Building Luxury Bunkers?


Do they know something that the rest of us do not? There are tens of millions of ordinary Americans that are feeling really good about the future now that Donald Trump has won the election, but meanwhile the elite are feverishly constructing luxury bunkers at a pace unlike anything we have ever seen before.

So why are so many among the elite preparing for an imminent "apocalypse" when tens of millions of other Americans are anticipating a new era of peace and prosperity? Are they smarter than most of the rest of us, or are they simply being paranoid?

Without a doubt, something is going on among the elite. Earlier today, WND published an article that discussed the fact that wealthy people "are quietly moving away from major cities" all over the globe because of concerns about security...

Widespread media reports as well as independent investigations from groups such as New World Wealth suggest wealthy people around the globe are quietly moving away from major cities because of fears of social instability.

Increasing crime, terrorism and rising racial tensions have all been identified as factors driving the exodus. Even the Daily Beast reported the introduction of large numbers of Muslim refugees into Europe has made once prosperous areas fraught with danger, in the opinion of some security experts.

And just a few weeks ago a Hollywood Reporter article entitled "Panic, Anxiety Spark Rush to Build Luxury Bunkers for L.A.'s Superrich" talked about how "Oscar winners, sports stars and Bill Gates are building lavish bunkers" because of their anxiety about what is coming next. The following is a short excerpt from that article...

Given the increased frequency of terrorist bombings and mass shootings and an under-lying sense of havoc fed by divisive election politics, it's no surprise that home security is going over the top and hitting luxurious new heights.

Or, rather, new lows, as the average depth of a new breed of safe haven that occupies thousands of square feet is 10 feet under or more. Those who can afford to pull out all the stops for so-called self-preservation are doing so -- in a fashion that goes way beyond the submerged corrugated metal units adopted by reality show "preppers" -- to prepare for anything from nuclear bombings to drastic climate-change events.

Gary Lynch, GM at Rising S Bunkers, a Texas-based company that specializes in underground bunkers and services scores of Los Angeles residences, says that sales at the most upscale end of the market -- mainly to actors, pro athletes and politicians (who require signed NDAs) -- have increased 700 percent this year compared with 2015, and overall sales have risen 150 percent.

"Any time there is a turbulent political landscape, we see a spike in our sales. Given this election is as turbulent as it is, we are gearing up for an even bigger spike," says marketing director Brad Roberson of sales of bunkers that start at $39,000 and can run $8.35 million or more (FYI, a 12-stall horse shelter is $98,500).

This is all very odd, because among the general population interest in "prepping" has hit a multi-year low. In fact, sales of emergency food and supplies are way down at the moment across the entire industry.

So once again the question must be asked - do the elite know something that the rest of us do not?

If they don't, why are they spending so much time, effort and money on such extraordinary preparations?

For instance, down in Texas one group of investors is constructing "a $300 million luxury community replete with underground homes"...

An investor group is planning for a doomsday scenario by building a $300 million luxury community replete with underground homes. There will also be air-lock blast doors designed for people worried about a dirty bomb or other disaster and off-grid energy and water production.

The development, called Trident Lakes, is northeast of Dallas.

Residents will enjoy an equestrian center, 18-hole golf course, polo fields, zip lines and gun ranges. Retail shops, restaurants and a row of helipads are also in the works. For those looking to "get away," they'll also be able to enjoy three white sand beaches and a neighborhood spa.

Most of us could hardly even imagine such luxury, and this is yet another example of the growing gap between the ultra-wealthy and the rest of us in this country.

If you do happen to be one of the ultra-wealthy, perhaps you may be interested in purchasing one of the extremely expensive U-shaped "Earthships" that one company has been constructing for the elite...

Billionaires are buying up "indestructible" alien boltholes to seek sanctuary in during alien Armageddon or more-likely nuclear war and disaster.

The US company creating the $1.5million "Earthship" eco-structures says humans "must evolve" and insists they "will soon be a necessity" for our species "to survive on this planet."

The bizarre U-shaped hideaways, which can reportedly survive in any climate, can be deployed to any part of the world and are self-sufficient enough to survive in isolation - during a killer virus outbreak or a radiation catastrophe.

I have to admit that I felt a twinge of jealousy when I first learned about these "Earthships". They are completely self-sufficient, they are environmentally-friendly, and they sound like they are quite comfortable. The following is what one reporter discovered when she visited a community of these "Earthships"...

In addition to the cord-cutting power and self-sustaining water supply, each abode contains its own greenhouse. I could forage for figs, bananas, pineapple, broccoli, rosemary and chives in my fluffy socks. Or if the zombies weren't looking, I could dash over to my neighbor's place for supper.

The Phoenix, a three-bedroom that sleeps six, dedicates one-third of its space to food production. Its tropical jungle supports parakeets and cockatiels (not for consumption) and a garden bursting with fruits and vegetables, including grapes, artichokes, lemons, melons, kale, squash, hot peppers and mushrooms that cling to a log.

Chickens cluck around the back yard, which features a sunken den with a grill for coop-to-kebob meals. An indoor fishpond once contained a robust stock of tilapia before a group of guests threw a fish fry. Now, the littlest survivors swim laps with koi. For the dairy course, the staff is considering resident goats.

It sounds wonderful.

But once again, why go to all of this effort if a new era of peace and prosperity for humanity is right around the corner?

I really like what Carl Gallups had to say about this. Carl is the author of Be Thou Prepared, and this is what he told WND about the preparations that the elite are making...

"I think that the rich and elite are becoming increasingly aware of the dangerous and potentially unstable world in which we now reside," he warned. "Massive instances of civil unrest, even in America, are becoming a very real possibility.

Internal terror attacks, swelling illegal alien populations, an influx of Islamic refugees, increasing racial discord, ambushing police officers, the rule of law continually being trampled by the political elite and an almost complete collapse of trust in the mainstream media - all of this has led to widespread cynicism and distrust among the population as a whole."

Gallups noted "the rich usually have deeper connections to reliable information and prediction sources, and most of them have the means to take immediate action."

I believe that Carl Gallups is right on the money.

Normally I am extremely hard on the elite, but in this case I believe that they are showing much more wisdom than the general population.

So many people are crying "peace and safety" right now, and yet we are right in the middle of what I have labeled "the danger zone".

Our world is becoming more unstable with each passing day, but there is so much apathy among the American people at the moment.

I just don't understand it.

The self-destructive behavior that we are engaging in as a nation is a recipe for national suicide, and the warning signs are all around us, but because disaster has not struck yet most people seem to believe that the warnings that they have been hearing are not true.

Meanwhile, the elite are preparing extremely hard for an imminent "apocalypse", and I have a feeling that they are going to end up looking like the smart ones once it is all said and done

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I almost took a lone out one time to buy a decommissioned Missile silo, water , Air, food storage, and room for about anything you wanted.
1 million dollars is what it went for I think, but my guess it would take another Million to make it livable, and useful.
I have seen them on TV with gardens in them, pools, Helo pads, and Car elevators, one had a waterfall in it.
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I suppose that if world war three broke out then the USA Canada border would also be down too. Maybe I could hook up with one of the American militias.
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first thing I would do is get all the people I could together, and form one, maybe even join up with others.
I'm not the most able the way I am right now, but if it came down to it i might manage, i wouldn't just give in i know that.
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Fortunately it was summertime. She must have known her mushroom species good as I certainly don't and wouldn't take my chances with any mushrooms at all. I imagine there are a lot of four hundred pounder girls who might find getting stranded out in the bush good for them. I hope that I never get stranded in the bush but it I do believe that it is good to know h ow to survive.


US woman missing for a month found in dense woods surviving on berries and mushrooms

A Kentucky woman who has been missing for nearly a month has been found alive in the wilderness. Lisa Theris from Louisville was found by a motorist on Highway 82 near the Bullock County and Barbour County line on Saturday (12 August).

The motorist found Theris after she "saw something moving in the bushes" while driving by and went back to investigate. "She called us and told us she had located the missing person," Sheriff Raymond Rodgers said.

The 25-year-old woman had lost 50 pounds and was covered in scratches and bug bites after she went missing in thousands of acres of isolated, dense forest in Midland, Alabama without shoes, phone or bag, the sheriff added. She was treated at a local emergency room and has been reunited with her family.

Theris reportedly survived after living off berries and mushrooms. "She said she was drinking water out of a brook and eating berries and mushrooms," Rodgers said.

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The woman was reported missing by her family on 23 July after being last seen in Midway. Officials said she was with two men, who later burglarised a hunting camp in Midway on 17 and 18 July.

Theris, a radiology student, said she had no idea that the men were going there to steal. She did not want to be a part of the robbery and so fled from them, she said.

"She's not familiar with this area and apparently on the night she ran, she went into the woods at night and got lost. I just thank God that she's alive," the sheriff said.

He added that they have not asked her too many questions. "We want to make sure her health is good so we got her on to hospital. We did not interrogate her at that time."

The investigation into what exactly happened is still going on as there are many questions surrounding the robbery, the two men and Theris' disappearance that are yet to be answered.

"She's alive and that's all that matters at this moment. We can confirm she was in the area, but as far as that goes, we can't confirm anything else right now," Sergeant Chad Faulkner said, declining to give any further details about the case.

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Interesting, shes a survivor for sure. I'm glad it wasn't winter time.
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If she had any addiction issues like nicotine or caffein this episode may have been a blessing in disguise.
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Might have been good for her body getting off the processed junk.
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I wish I had a place like that to get away sometimes.

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Thanks for posting this Bluefrost, it could come in handy knowing how to make a cabin. I have often thought about stashing one out by a small lake in a mountain somewhere in case of emergency. This really shows how to do it.
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It's amazing how much effort it takes to do a proper roof on one of them, 4 layers I think of planks he used. The floor i think he did a bit of overkill on, but it should hold up to whatever is tossed at it.
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