..Guns Guns & More Guns

[Renee]

Even if it's a bb gun...there are gaps in the fence between the boards....

Seriously stupid....seriously dangerous....

That has to be bullshit.

[Blue Frost]

I had the neighbors brat do that, and broke my garage window, and messed up the siding on it.
I had to get police involved, and the run around from them saying he's a kid we can't do anything.
Ended up having to take pictures, and do my own investigation thing, and then threaten to sue.

[Renee]

I had the neighbors brat do that, and broke my garage window, and messed up the siding on it.
I had to get police involved, and the run around from them saying he's a kid we can't do anything.
Ended up having to take pictures, and do my own investigation thing, and then threaten to sue.

I hope you got some satisfaction. Unfortunately many law enforcement agencies are kind of hamstrung by our government when it comes to prosecuting minors.

It was always kind of difficult but over the last decade the Obama admin made it even more difficult by making police departments stop arresting minors in favor of intervention. It's nothing more than an effort to "cook" juvenile crime numbers in a downward trend while spending money on social programs that have little or no impact on juvenile crime rates....i.e. Typical leftist horseshit.

The Parkland school shooting was a direct result of this type of this corrupt permissive policy, where a well known and identified violent minor was allowed to walk free and continue his mayhem as he pleased. And I dont care what you say, this is where the use of "Red Flag" laws were a MUST and probably would have saved lives.

[Blue Frost]

The whole issue with this is the parents are responsible regardless of a kid being punished.
In this situation it even is worse, the parents are on Hud housing so they have nothing of worth so I get nothing, but in my view Hud should be responsible now.
Hud housed bums, and lets them destroy neighborhoods calling it Urbain renewal, they should pay for the damages.
Since these people would be in the slum where they belong homeowners wouldn't be dealing with this mess.

[Mel Gibson]

Today I learned that Renee's State of New Jersey has gun laws that are nearly identical to the Canadian system in almost every regard...

[Blue Frost]

I believe all gun laws need scrapped, and gun owners make the laws, it likely would be so good that crime would fall 90%+
I saw ban Democrats from owning them for a start, and any caught with one will have to make love with the cast of the View except for the quiet one. Throw Rosie back in also, that's beyond punishment.

[Renee]

Today I learned that Renee's State of New Jersey has gun laws that are nearly identical to the Canadian system in almost every regard...

Wrong...we can obtain handguns much easier than you.....We just have to apply for a permit...Permit and background check takes about 30 days in most jurisdictions. We can pull multiple permits in a 30 day period. Also we can purchase and own handguns with less than a 4" barrel. I believe you are limited to nothing less than 4". There are no caliber restrictions for handguns. We can own "modified" handguns. We have no safety course requirement...Long arms of any kind are not registered...all you need is a NJ. purchasers ID and pass the federal NICS background check, show some cash and out the door you go.

There are no safe storage laws, trigger lock laws, or any of that crap. There is no mandatory licensing or registration of ANY firearms. Firearms sales in NJ are private affairs....I believe in Canada family members, ex spouses, your fucking 2nd grade teacher or what have you need to be informed when you buy a gun..There are probably numerous other differences as well.

Yes NJ's laws are draconian in comparison to other states but we still have a legal right to own a firearm while YOU do NOT and therein lies the heart of the real difference.

[Blue Frost]

Don't take this gun grabbing as an attack just on gun owners, it's an attack on all your rights.

[Mel Gibson]

Wrong...we can obtain handguns much easier than you.....We just have to apply for a permit...Permit and background check takes about 30 days in most jurisdictions. We can pull multiple permits in a 30 day period.

Really? I can buy 20 handguns on Monday, and pick them all up on Tuesday. No background checks, no delays. Our license is the 'permit'. Winner: Canada.

Also we can purchase and own handguns with less than a 4" barrel. I believe you are limited to nothing less than 4".

4.16" actually. There you have us beat, unless one here is 'Grandfathered'... Winner: USA

There are no caliber restrictions for handguns. We can own "modified" handguns. We have no safety course requirement...

.25 &.32 calibre handguns are prohibited unless Grandfathered, but those are shit calibres anyhow. Nobody in their right mind would really want one anyhow. Nothing stops one from modifying their handguns here, as long as barrel length remains no shorter than 4.16", no silencer, and no conversion to fully automatic. Other than that, do whatever the fuck you want to it! One day safety course is a one time thing, and not difficult. Winner: Tie

Long arms of any kind are not registered...all you need is a NJ. purchasers ID and pass the federal NICS background check, show some cash and out the door you go.

Long guns are not registered here either. Flash your license, hand over cash, and walk out with long gun on the spot. Previous Harper Government scrapped the long gun registry. Winner: Tie

There are no safe storage laws, trigger lock laws, or any of that crap.

Storage laws are just that... For storage. When you leave your firearms unattended at home, they do have to be locked in some way, although requirements are relatively minimal. This is mainly so your eight year old kid won't shoot his six year old sister. Winner: Tie

There is no mandatory licensing or registration of ANY firearms. Firearms sales in NJ are private affairs....I believe in Canada family members, ex spouses, your fucking 2nd grade teacher or what have you need to be informed when you buy a gun..There are probably numerous other differences as well.

Long guns are not registered here (handguns are, however).

Long gun sales here are private. Nobody needs to be informed about anything. My duty is to view purchasers firearms licence. I have to declare purchase to nobody. Perhaps what you're thinking of is the five year licence renewal, which in that paper renewal application, you're supposed to have your partner if you have one (married or common law) to sign off on application that you're not a psychopathic nutcase ready to teach her, and the entire World, a 'lesson once and for all!'

New Jersey? All private firearm transfers require a background check conducted through a federally licensed gun dealer, right? Winner: Canada

Yes NJ's laws are draconian in comparison to other states but we still have a legal right to own a firearm while YOU do NOT and therein lies the heart of the real difference.

You don't have as much legal right as you think you do. Your magazine cap limit is the same as ours... Can you open carry in NJ? Can you CCW in NJ? You can't, can you Renee?

Let's get down to some more of the real Nitty Gritty, Renee: Hollow Point ammo restrictions? We don't give a fuck about HP ammo here. Winner: Canada.

New Jersey Firearm Purchaser Identification card: Now the similarities that I touched upon are becoming more clear, but hopefully to you, Renee, because I already live in this system...

I swear to God your State has emulated much of what already exists North of the 49th, and don't you even pretend it's any different, my rotund friend from south of the border...

[Blue Frost]

So pretty, I need a pair of them.

[Renee]

I swear to God your State has emulated much of what already exists North of the 49th, and don't you even pretend it's any different, my rotund friend from south of the border...

Regardless of your prattle...the main difference is still in the whole concept....

You dopey Canadians have NO legal right to a firearm of ANY kind. Your "Charter of Rights" (more like gov granted charter of privileges) does not enumerate any rights regarding firearms...Owning a firearm in Canada is a "privilege" which can be taken away, without any kind of due process and there is nothing you, "the Canadian citizen" can do about it. So the similarities in our laws are basically moot.

Just like in Oz, all it will take is one crazy bastard with access one of your currently restricted firearms to start your ownership of guns down the path to total confiscation.

Just like the Aussies, you dimwits clung to the mother country in your politics and government philosophy...Too scared, too comfortable, too complacent to strike off on your own and one day you will all pay the price for it. The global political climate is moving further and further away from the concept of individual liberty, which includes the possession of firearms by the individual....And so called "democratic socialist" countries like Canada are and will be among the first to give up those liberties. And remember...You have nothing to stop it. And AGAIN...therein lies the real and important difference.

Oh and BTW...I can purchase all the hollow points I want, loaded or in component form...I just can't shoot people with them... But that's not a problem, 158 gr SWC from a .375 mag are actually very effective stoppers. They were the standard NJ State Trooper round for 40 years. There are dozens of bodies littered all over the Garden State Parkway and NJ Turnpike to prove it....

[Blue Frost]

We have the right to have guns, but the right is infringed on every day unfortunately.
Little by little it's being took away, and by the ones who are dangerous, and why the right is in our constitution.

[Renee]

We have the right to have guns, but the right is infringed on every day unfortunately.
Little by little it's being took away, and by the ones who are dangerous, and why the right is in our constitution.

Yes we have the right to own guns and that right is infringed upon by a government that has lost it's way, mostly because we as a people have lost our way as well. We vote for these scumbags who make their living infringing upon our rights for self-serving purposes.

Unfortunately in many respects liberty is not an unlimited right and agenda driven political types love to capitalize on that fact...They use nebulous concepts like the "greater good" or "combating crime" to infringe upon what our founding fathers saw as "inalienable" rights. It is up to us, the people, to set them straight when that occurs, either at the voting booth or through the courts. But unfortunately "we the people" have become a bunch of complacent, indoctrinated, and willfully ignorant, sheep. Many of the more sinister political types know this and use it to their slimy advantage.

[Blue Frost]

Edward Bulwer Lytton said the pen is mightier than the sword, politicians use that on us every day.
Free this, and that, Patriot act, think about the kids, Equality, woman's rights, affirmative action, progressive, I know how they they use words, and twist simple minded people into falling for cons, and anti American things.
It actually makes me pretty angry, and I wish I had an army sometimes to go clean house, that's is I was able.
It's not just Democrats, it's Republicans just as much by not standing up, and also not pointing out the wrongs, and hypocrisy.

[Mel Gibson]

Just like in Oz, all it will take is one crazy bastard with access one of your currently restricted firearms to start your ownership of guns down the path to total confiscation.

Just like the Aussies, you dimwits clung to the mother country in your politics and government philosophy...

We have already visited this with shooter Marc Lépine. Google him if you want. Canada has never went down the path of confiscation. Historically, when any changes were made, current owners were 'Grandfathered' in... We don't tend to knee jerk quite like the Ozzies and Kiwi's do, and don't even compare us to England... That tie was cut ages ago!

That's besides the point though. The point I was trying to make, in showing how similar New Jersery gun laws are to our own here, is that your 'Freedom Eagle' isn't flying quite as free as you may think it is... You can't even open carry/conceal carry a handgun there.

And let's see what happens when you look at your uppity neighbour wrong, and she reports you under New Jersey's new 'Red Flag' law implemented earlier this month, claiming you were aggressive and threatening towards her... We'll then see just how free your Freedom Eagle flies!

You can't even own hollowpoints, Renee, so stop thinking you're free... You're not! Your Freedom Eagle is weeping as we speak!

[Renee]

You can't even own hollowpoints, Renee, so stop thinking you're free... You're not! Your Freedom Eagle is weeping as we speak!

You can so own hollowpoints in NJ. NJ law allows adults to purchase, own and transport hollowpoint ammunition for range use or hunting.

As I stated, you just can't use them in a self defense situation...

And I personally don't give a damn what you "think" your government will do in the aftermath of a mass shooting. You may not be as knee jerk as the dumbass Aussies but liberals are liberals no matter where you find them. Their first reaction is to ban shit that they feel are a problem. Just give it time.

The bottom line is, you have NO legal firearms ownership protection. You are allowed to own a gun at the whim of the government and that is a bad position to be in.

[Mel Gibson]

Well, we do have one saving grace, if guns are to be confiscated: While handguns are registered, long guns are not. So, while they know who has what in terms of handguns, there is no database of long gun owners, and as such it would be impossible for them to get guns that one may or may not own...

[Renee]

Well, we do have one saving grace, if guns are to be confiscated: While handguns are registered, long guns are not. So, while they know who has what in terms of handguns, there is no database of long gun owners, and as such it would be impossible for them to get guns that one may or may not own...

That is a foolish attitude. Many here in the US have the same...The "I will bury my guns" before the government takes them crowd. What good is that? All it does is put you and your family at risk of being thrown into the legal meat grinder.

I put it this way...what good are weapons of any kind if they make criminals out of law abiding citizens simply for owning them? What good are they if by chance some nieghboring, authoritarian, little busybody finds out that you MIGHT have an illegal weapon in your possession? You talk about "red flag" laws;....imaging living in a world were your fucking neighbor, acquaintance or relative is someone like that obnoxious, lunatic, gun hating, Aussie POS (we both know of whom I speak) and he or she happens to have an inkling that you own an illegal weapon?...Imagine the shit you would be in simply for owning your father's or grandfather's favorite bird gun or deer rifle?

Unfortunately you have no protection or rights in that situation, regardless of the attitude of bravado you may have. You cannot hide illegal shit from the government because it puts you on the same social and legal level as a common criminal. Your liberal government and the media will have a field day with shit like that. If you should ever be found out to have an illegal gun, you will be branded as being the next mass murderer and the gov will paint themselves out as the heros that prevented the potential deaths of dozens of people and worst of all the flock of citizen sheep will all go baa-baa-baa in agreement. It's a horrific scenario anyway you look at it.

[Mel Gibson]

I'm not too worried, Renee, and I'll tell you why: Canada has different politics than the US, and different politics compared to the "England-Australia-New Zealand" trio... And I'll explain why:

Even our most 'Liberating' dope in power, Trudeau, won't even touch the issue. He hasn't re-introduced the long-gun registry that was scrapped by Harper before him, and in fact he had made no regulatory changes at all. He himself has publicly stated that "Canada has a long standing and strong hunting culture, and he will not fuck with that." And he hasn't.

Usually the hot topic here concerns handguns, but again the Canadian people know what's up: It's not lawful owners shooting up in public... It's typically East Indian and Negroid gang-bangers shooting up in public with illegally possessed handguns. We ALL know this.

At the handgun range here I have practiced beside off-duty cops, female elementary school teachers (I am not joking), and even newer immigrants that are NOT in the gang-banging lifestyle. Politically we range from left to right, but none of us want to see our privileges restricted and controlled!

We know what the problem is with handgun shootings: Dumb fucking Nigs with no value on life, using handguns that shouldn't even be in the country in the first place.

Deep down we know where to place the real blame, even though not many have the balls to come right out and state the obvious!

[Renee]

I'm not too worried, Renee, and I'll tell you why: Canada has different politics than the US, and different politics compared to the "England-Australia-New Zealand" trio... And I'll explain why:

Even our most 'Liberating' dope in power, Trudeau, won't even touch the issue. He hasn't re-introduced the long-gun registry that was scrapped by Harper before him, and in fact he had made no regulatory changes at all. He himself has publicly stated that "Canada has a long standing and strong hunting culture, and he will not fuck with that." And he hasn't.

Usually the hot topic here concerns handguns, but again the Canadian people know what's up: It's not lawful owners shooting up in public... It's typically East Indian and Negroid gang-bangers shooting up in public with illegally possessed handguns. We ALL know this.

At the handgun range here I have practiced beside off-duty cops, female elementary school teachers (I am not joking), and even newer immigrants that are NOT in the gang-banging lifestyle. Politically we range from left to right, but none of us want to see our privileges restricted and controlled!

We know what the problem is with handgun shootings: Dumb fucking Nigs with no value on life, using handguns that shouldn't even be in the country in the first place.

Deep down we know where to place the real blame, even though not many have the balls to come right out and state the obvious!

I'm glad that you have so much faith in your government and your countrymen. Perhaps it is that way because your population is small....but I'm not so sure you can truely put your trust in them like that.

Too many modern, so-called democratic governments govern by the prevailing legal and social morals that exist in the moment. In other words legislation dealing with hot button issues such as gun control, abortion and immigration are influenced dramatically by popular opinion and political climate, and to some extent, end up as a platform for political showmanship. The gun issue in Australia is a classic example of an unnecessary draconian government overreach in reaction to a single tragic event, perpetrated by a fucking retard. Martin Bryant, the Port Arthur shooter had an estimated IQ of about 66. But yet he could drive a car and buy guns with no government oversight....go figure...

The data shows that gun crime in Oz was historically low in comparison to most industrialized nations and was on a 10 year trend of decline before the Port Arthur shooting, (historically and ironically most large scale massacres in Oz were of the indigenous people). No one expected the Aussie government to react in such a radical and frankly despotic manner but yet it did and the so called free citizens of that fly infested hole put up narry a protest in response to having a big chunk of their liberty stripped away. In fact there was even a coordinated and effective effort between the government and the news media to paint any opposition to the new gun laws as fringe radicals.

So while it's nice that you believe your government is a benevolent entity where it comes to gun ownership, I would not be so complacent if I were in your shoes. History speaks volumes in how governments can turn on their citizens and squash rights and privileges on what amounts to a whim. That is why the gun control issue in the US rages with no end in sight.