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The image many North Americans have of Sweden and other Scandinavian countries as homogeneous, egalitarian societies is totaly outdated. They are multi-racial countries where how well you do is often connected to your ethnic background.
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Stockholm has been hit by a third night of rioting following the shooting of an elderly man by police in a deprived area largely populated by immigrants.

Eight people have been arrested. Buildings and vehicles were set alight and rocks and missiles thrown at police in the suburbs of the Swedish capital.

The rioting first flared up in the northern suburb of Husby after police shot dead a 69-year-old man who was allegedly wielding a machete and threatened to kill the officers. The man has not been identified.

The shooting led to claims of police brutality by residents of Husby, an area where four-fifths of the 12,000-strong population are immigrants from Turkey and the Middle East.

Police were also accused of stoking tensions by using racial slurs against rioters.


Long-standing racial tension

The rioting has spread to nine other Stockholm suburbs and authorities fear it could spread further.

Residents said the rioting was the result of long-standing racial and social tensions that have been building in the area.

Rami al-Khamisi, a law student and founder of the youth organisation Megafonen, told Swedish news site The Local: "You have to see what happened from a wider point of view. It's not the first time something like this has happened, and it's not the last.

"This is the kind of reaction when there isn't equality between people, which is the case in Sweden."

Khamisi added that the crowd was reacting to a "growing marginalisation and segregation in Sweden over the past 10, 20 years" on both class and race grounds.

"Out in the suburbs the majority of people aren't white and from a political perspective we're seen as a problem that politicians want to solve by sending more police. This is not a solution we agree with."

According to date from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, 15% of the population in Sweden are foreign-born - the highest in Scandindavia.

Unemployment among those born outside Sweden stands at 16%, compared with 6% for Swedish-born.

Tensions over immigration has seen an increase in popularity for the anti-immigrant party the Sweden Democrats, which is third in the polls ahead of a general election due in 2014.

Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt previously said of the rioting: "We've had two nights with great unrest, damage and an intimidating atmosphere in Husby and there is a risk it will continue.

"We have groups of young men who think that that they can and should change society with violence. Let's be clear: this is not okay. We cannot be ruled by violence."
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Open your doors to other groups of people, and not blend them into your society you just ask for trouble.
Keeping a group down, and not welcomed also does.
I see it here in the US, and in Sweden as well as other places.

There should be rules for immigration, and limited to let people blend in instead of massive influxes like Sweden did for manpower .
Also I believe if the people are not educated, or not in flight from oppression they should be kept out on a list behind others of use, and need.

It's sad people cant get along, but the powers that be in charge only sees a dollar, and votes.
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Blue Frost wrote:Open your doors to other groups of people, and not blend them into your society you just ask for trouble.
Keeping a group down, and not welcomed also does.
I see it here in the US, and in Sweden as well as other places.

There should be rules for immigration, and limited to let people blend in instead of massive influxes like Sweden did for manpower .
Also I believe if the people are not educated, or not in flight from oppression they should be kept out on a list behind others of use, and need.

It's sad people cant get along, but the powers that be in charge only sees a dollar, and votes.
Minorities in Sweden have higher rates of unemployment, poverty, social assistance reliance, incarceration and shorter lifespans than Swedes/whites. It kind of throws cold water on the way socialists like to hold Sweden/Scandinavia up as a model.
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I'm all for immigration, but there is a better way to do it.
The screening process really is broken in most places, and the social standards as a whole is with welfare programs.
Give a person a hand up, and not a hand out is a better way.

The race thing :kez: Ill never figure that one out. So many social injustices for nothing.
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Blue Frost wrote:I'm all for immigration, but there is a better way to do it.
The screening process really is broken in most places, and the social standards as a whole is with welfare programs.
Give a person a hand up, and not a hand out is a better way.

The race thing :kez: Ill never figure that one out. So many social injustices for nothing.
I started this thread not so much to talk about the merits of immigration as to shed light on the misconceptions many of us here in North America have about Sweden.
The Swedish model may have as much to do with deeply ingrained cultural and social conditioning as it does with socialist dogma. As a Swedish economist said many decades ago to an American economist, we have almost no poverty in Sweden. His American counterpart replied, what a coincidence, we have almost no poverty among Swedish-Americans.
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Good reply, and I agree with that.
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It's such a shame. Immigrants and immigrant youth are often disenfranchised, discriminated against and can find it very difficult to get decent employment. But rioting sure ain't going to help things any, and gives racists an excuse for their racism and discrimination.

Hmm. Throughout history we've seen the marginalized boil over with tension. When people are unemployed and disenfranchised, they're not going to be very happy about it. Why would they be?

Are things happening and changing too fast in Sweden and many other countries? Immigration has done well for North America, though we've also had our fair share of racism, segregation and riots.

With their low birth rates, capitalist countries require new blood. We want immigrants and we welcome them, but often we treat them like second-class citizens who don't belong.
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They sure don't help their cause, and destroying their own community sure don't make since .
Work is the answer for a lot of it, but you need demand, and product.
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Swedish Riots Expose The Growing Dark Side of Nordic Model
(Reuters) - The scene of Sweden's worst riots in years, Husby is on the surface at least a typically neat suburb of colorful playgrounds, manicured parks and low rise apartment buildings.

Conversations with residents of this immigrant neighborhood soon bring tales of fruitless job hunts, police harassment, racial taunts and a feeling of living at the margins that are at odds with Sweden's reputation for openness and tolerance.

Riots that began in Husby have spread across Stockholm over the last four nights in scenes reminiscent of London in 2011 and Paris in 2005 - outbursts with their roots in segregation, neglect and poverty. The Swedish model of welfare - such as its 480 days of parental leave for each child - hides another side.

Some 15 percent of the population is foreign born, the highest in the Nordic region. The rise of the anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats party, which has called for a curfew in response to the violence, has polarized Swedes.

Metros and trains out of Stockholm center late at night are full of exhausted-looking Arabic or Spanish speaking immigrants returning home from menial jobs. Even second generation immigrants struggle to find white collar employment.

As one Asian diplomat puts it: "On the one hand Sweden has all these immigrants. On the other hand, where are they? It sometimes seems they are mostly selling hotdogs."

In a further illustration of two very different worlds, the first riot happened as many Swedes celebrated winning the world ice hockey championship. Most immigrants play football - it is a common refrain that ice hockey kits are too expensive.

"The worst vandalism is not what we've experienced in recent days," said community leader Arne Johansson at a protest rally in Husby. "It is the creeping, slow vandalism that this rightist government has exposed us to over the past seven years."

Seven years of center-right Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt - who has labeled the rioters hooligans - have lowered taxes and reduced state benefits. That has helped economic growth outpace most of Europe but Sweden also has the fastest growing inequality of any OECD nation.
Professor of criminology at Stockholm University Jerzy Sarnecki said society has become much more segregated, with a large, poor immigrant population living in areas of major cities where unemployment is dramatically higher than elsewhere.

Polls show a majority of Swedes still welcome immigration. Sweden has a reputation for treating new arrivals well - providing housing, Swedish lessons and allowing asylum seekers to live with relatives.

But the consensus is increasingly frayed.

"Those who, for whatever reason, don't have work have not taken part in the general rise in prosperity," said Ulf Bjereld, political science professor at Gothenburg University.

One recent government study showed up to a third of young people between 16-29 in some of the most deprived areas of Sweden's big cities neither study nor have a job.

Sweden received 43,900 asylum seekers in 2012, a nearly 50 percent jump from 2011 and the second highest on record. Nearly half were from Syria, Afghanistan and Somalia. Many native Swedes worry welfare could become unaffordable if the trend continues.

Asylum seekers, in the short term, add a fiscal burden on the welfare state. OECD data show foreign-born unemployed rates, at 16 percent, compared with 6 percent for native Swedes. Sweden needs high employment levels to pay for its extensive welfare.

ANGRY, YOUNG MEN

The riots appeared organized. Cars were set alight near pedestrian bridges and youths hurled stones when police and emergency services arrived at the scene.

Witnesses said heavy handed policing made the situation worse. Locals in Husby said they were taunted by police who shouted "ape".

"In the beginning it was just a bit of fun," said one young man in his early 20s who did not wish to be named. He was one of a Husby group of 30-40 youths that battled with police.

"But then when I saw the police charging through here with batons, pushing women and children out of the way and swinging their batons, I got so damned angry."

Police, who have called the rioters youth gangs and criminals, said accusations against the police were being investigated.

In interviews with youths in Husby, most were unemployed or interns. Many said they were bounced around intern schemes, seldom being offered full-time work, fostering resentment.

Local youths believe their Husby address is in part to blame for their lack of success. If they are lucky enough to be called to a job interview, many say they come from neighboring Kista - an IT hub symbolizing Sweden's more modern, global image.

Many complained a conviction for a small amount of cannabis might stay on a teenager's record for ten years, ruining job chances.

Stockholm has suffered riots and burning of cars before in recent years, although most fizzle out after one night. Other cities in the Nordic country have also experienced unrest.

Five years ago in Malmo, which has one of Sweden's biggest immigrant populations, local youths threw home-made bombs and attacked emergency services to protest a police eviction.

In Husby, the shooting of a suspected machete wielding man by police earlier in the month was the spark. Local people - around 80 pct of whom have immigrant backgrounds - organized a peaceful protest for which more than 100 people turned up.

But their call for an inquiry into the death of the 69-year-old fell on deaf ears. Plugged in young locals complained about racist insults on Twitter, feeding anger.

"Young people wound each other up and started a small fire," said Nefel, a beautician in her 20s. "I saw how the police came and treated them. I was in shock."

"I was there and saw it happen. I wasn't struck, but I did have a dog come at me. A police dog isn't a nice little puppy."

On the streets, resentment shows no signs of ebbing.

"My daughter comes home from school and says the kids say they can't play with her because she's dark," said Maria Petersson, a 39 year old Ethiopan-born nurse. "I am both Ethiopian and Swedish but I will never be considered Swedish by the Swedes. To them, I am just another immigrant."
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Inviting people in, and spitting on them :( they are very bad at it from what I read, and maybe worse than here even.
Here on the most part government or lets say politicians make it worse, but there it's the people more.
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Sounds like they invited the wrong people in.
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:teehe: Really we all are the same in so many ways, but yet have our talents. :)
I don't know whats wrong with the obvious, some people, or peoples are just more inclined to do better in some ways.
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Interesting articles ... I had no idea that Sweden was battling those kinds of problems.

My sister-in-law is Jordanian and she studied in Sweden for a year. I should ask her what her experience was like since she's a visible minority. I'm sure Arabs stand out like a sore thumb amidst all the blonde, blue eyed, fair skinned Swedes.
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Riots In Sweden Bring Focus To Otherwise `Model`State
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Community patrols and a beefed-up police presence helped to calm violence around Stockholm overnight on Saturday but 20 to 30 cars were still torched in poor immigrant suburbs and serious incidents were reported outside the capital for the first time.

The rioting in Stockholm abated after a week of masked youths vandalizing schools and police stations, setting cars alight and hurling stones at firefighters, police said.

"It was much calmer - rocks weren't being thrown at police or firefighters - and that's a sign that it's calmer. We haven't had any riots or anything similar," said police spokesman Kjell Lindgren.

Community leaders were taking to the streets, dressed in fluorescent jackets, to try to calm things down.

"We have been present in many places, we've been talking to people, and many residents have been out in the city, keeping their eyes open, being engaged," Lindgren said.

But serious incidents were reported outside the Stockholm area, for the first time.

In Orebro, a town in central Sweden, some 25 masked youths set fire to three cars and a school and tried to torch a police station, police said. Some 200 km to the southwest in Linkoping, several vehicles were set on fire and youths tried to torch a school and a kindergarten, they said.

The rioting was sparked by the police shooting on May 13 of a 69-year-old man, who media reported was killed when police stormed his apartment because they feared he was threatening his wife with a large knife. Media said he was a Portuguese immigrant, which police would not confirm.

In a country famed for its model welfare state, the rioting has exposed a fault-line between a well-off majority and a minority - often young people with immigrant backgrounds - who are poorly educated, cannot find work and feel pushed to the edge of society.

Underscoring Sweden's ambivalence toward its open immigration policies, an anti-immigrant party has risen to third in polls this year and some analysts say the riots could swell its ranks.

Dozens of far-right activists were seen driving around some southern suburbs of Stockholm on Friday, closely watched by police.

MASKED YOUTHS

The violence has echoes of rioting in recent years in Paris and London but has been relatively mild in comparison. There has been no looting, hardly any injuries and few arrests.

Much of the capital has gone about business as normal and even affected suburbs look normal by day.

Still, it has shocked a nation that has long taken pride in its generous social safety net, though some seven years of centre-right rule have chipped away at benefits.

One recent government study showed that up to a third of young people aged 16 to 29 in some of the most deprived areas of Sweden's big cities neither study nor have a job.
Youth unemployment is especially high in neighborhoods such as the ones where the riots have taken place, home to asylum seekers from Iraq to Somalia, Afghanistan and Latin America.

About 15 percent of Sweden's population is foreign-born. While many are from neighboring Nordic countries, others are drawn by the country's policy of welcoming asylum seekers from war-torn countries.

The gap between rich and poor in Sweden is growing faster than in any other major nation, according to the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.
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The split in wealth is happening all over, it's just that it's slower here.
I think it shows who is really running the show. Sweden must be the worst of all to be that bad.
Also I put a blame on letting anyone in the country on mass, and no time to blend them into society.
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Blue Frost wrote:The split in wealth is happening all over, it's just that it's slower here.
I think it shows who is really running the show. Sweden must be the worst of all to be that bad.
Also I put a blame on letting anyone in the country on mass, and no time to blend them into society.
It`s the beginning of the end of the so-called Nordic model. It worked well when the population was homogeneous and there was a basic consensus, but as demographics rapidly change, so has that consensus. This is why it is foolish for North American socialists to think that disintegrating model would work anywhere else.
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Here we have the rush of Mexicans coming in, most with no skills, and many just taking advantage.
That's not saying there isn't really hard working people in the mix, but to let so many in not willing to work destroys a society.
We have enough already like that already is natural born citizens . :kez:
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What is the latest on Sweden?

Last I heard Stockholm was slowed down a bit as MANY police were brought in from elsewhere .. .but, things had broken out in other cities
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They asked for it in my opinion.
Not just letting to many in not assimilating, but not having the jobs for them, or plans to create more.
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