North American Taliban

[Mad Serb]

Many of his generals and ministers do, and consequentially his country, unfortunately

[Oscar Mayer]

You're saying Ukraine deserves to be invaded and subjugated by the Russians because why? Because their government is corrupt anyway?

[Mad Serb]

No, that does not follow from what I wrote.

[Oscar Mayer]

That's where you're going. You want to say Russia should draw Ukraine back into the Soviet era under Kremlin control. Why else would you be pointing out corruption in Ukraine when they're fighting for their survival against one of the most corrupt governments on the planet?

[Mad Serb]

Because you mentioned word "comedian" and I just pointed out that there are comedians with more responsibility than mere journalist. Don't presume to know where I stand in Ukr-Rus war. Don't extrapolate.

[Oscar Mayer]

Corruption in Ukraine, dude, there was that part too but whatever.

[Mad Serb]

Corruption is not a reason for any country to be invaded. If it were, then all hell will broke loose. The bar would have to be set pretty low for most countries to be ineligible for invasion

[Oscar Mayer]

You figure Russia invaded Ukraine, the comedian's country, because he makes bad jokes?

[Mad Serb]

No, where did I say that???

[Oscar Mayer]

Maybe Putin invaded Ukraine to bring their corrupt government to justice

[Oscar Mayer]

125,000 dead Russian men in two years there. These people the comedian lead are protecting what belongs to them

[Mad Serb]

Sarcasm?

[Oscar Mayer]

No

[Mad Serb]

These people the comedian lead are protecting what belongs to them

I agree

[SCOUSE]

[asal]

Oooo, Scouse's one answer to everything. So open to criticism and evaluation. Such a flexible mind!

[asal]

West Virginia House passes bill allowing prosecution of librarians

February 17, 2024



(Capitol Notes - Graphic Illustration/MetroCreative)
CHARLESTON — The West Virginia House of Delegates debated the merits of removing protections for public librarians and school librarians from criminal prosecution in the off chance a minor encounters books and content some consider to be obscene.

The House passed House Bill 4654 – removing bona fide schools, public libraries, and museums from the list of exemptions from criminal liability relating to distribution and display to a minor of obscene matter – in a 85-12 vote Friday, sending the bill to the state Senate.

HB 4654 would lift criminal liability exemptions from schools in the presentation of local or state-approved curriculum, and public libraries and museums displaying obscene matter to a minor when the child is not accompanied by a parent/guardian.

State Code defines obscene matter as anything an average person believes depicts or describes sexually explicit conduct, nudity, sex or certain bodily functions; or anything a reasonable person would find lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. According to State Code 61-8A-2, any adult who knowingly and intentionally displays obscene matter to a minor could be charged with a felony, fined up to $25,000 and face up to five years in prison if convicted.

The bill has been the focus of a contentious public hearing and a lengthy meeting of the House Judiciary Committee, where supporters of the bill and a representative of the library community were grilled by committee members during testimony.

Supporters of the bill said it does not ban books or stop the selling or distribution of books some consider to be controversial or obscene. It merely provides the same prohibition against knowingly providing obscene materials to children outside the supervision of parents and guardians that already exist.

“This bill is giving our students and children in the community the same protection that they receive from GoGuardian and the FCC,” said Del. Jeff Stephens, R-Marshall, a school teacher referring to a computer program that blocks students from accessing pornography online at school.

“This bill does not ban books or censor speech. These books can still be bought privately by people if they’re adults. We’re not saying they need to be taken off of the market,” said Del. Elliott Pritt, R-Fayette, who is also a teacher. “What this bill does do is stop obscene and pornographic material, sexually explicit materials from being available to children in public taxpayer-funded spaces.”

Opponents of the bill said that while the bill does not ban books, the bill would have unintended consequences for public and school libraries, resulting in increases in challenges to even classic books and attempts to criminally charge librarians over books not pornographic in nature, but books that include descriptions of sex. They also said it could result in improper criminal charges against library staff.

“It is going to cost our counties and our librarians when these matters go to the court system,” said House Minority Leader Sean Hornbuckle, D-Cabell. “Because this is still vague, I’m scared … This is a very dangerous bill.”

“The librarians on staff might not know if a book has obscene matter in it or may or may not have shown it to someone, but because it was in the facility and it was sitting on a shelf, it could still be prosecuted,” said House Minority Whip Shawn Fluharty, D-Ohio. “What you are seeing is done in third-world countries, and now it’s going to be a headline in West Virginia.”

The lead sponsor of the bill — Del. Brandon Steele, R-Raleigh — said the criminal charge of showing pornography to minors without parental supervision can’t be made against potential bad actors who decide to bring pornography into public and school libraries and show young children in order to desensitize them. However, Steele provided no examples of someone committing similar acts in state libraries.

“This does not stop the good mission of our libraries and the good point of our libraries, schools, and museums to educate and foster debate on issues,” Steele said. “What this does is tear down the … sanctuary for conduct that all of us have agreed for over 100 years is criminal. If it is illegal in the parking lot, it should be illegal in the building.”

According to PEN America — a freedom of expression and 1st Amendment advocacy organization — several states are either removing criminal liability exemptions for public and school libraries, or expanding the definition of obscenity to capture a wider array of books that could potentially result in criminal charges for simply having them on a shelf. The most recent was Montana last year.

Del. Mike Pushkin, D-Kanawha, offered an unsuccessful amendment Friday that would have kept in place criminal liability protections for teachers, citing examples of health teachers who provide instruction in sex education. The amendment failed by voice vote.

“I’m not so sure who the arbiter of what is obscene and what isn’t,” Pushkin said. “This makes sure we’re not going to penalize teachers simply for teaching curriculum in the classroom.”

[Shen Li]

Notice it's always idiotic childless losers like imbASAL that think exposing little kids to sexually explicit material is good for their development. West Virginia used common sense in not putting Let’s Talk About It” by Erika Moen and Matthew Nolan away from very young kids.

Ban Christopher Columbus from schools and replace it with drag queens for kindergarten students. The title of ImbASAL's thread should be North American Cancel Culture Marxism.

[asal]

Operate an IVF bank, and make bank on 10,000's of dependents claimed on your taxes in Alabama?

Alabama Ruled IVF Frozen Embryos Are People: What This Means Post-Roe

February 19, 2024

The Alabama Supreme Court ruled Friday that frozen embryos conceived via in vitro fertilization (IVF) could be considered people potentially complicating access to IVF treatment in the state in the future.

The decision could have major implications for people undergoing IVF treatments in Alabama, where abortions are virtually completely banned.

The February 16 ruling reversed Mobile County Circuit Court Judge Jill Parrish’s decision to dismiss a “wrongful death” lawsuit between an Alabama fertility clinic and hospital and three couples undergoing fertility treatments.

“Man’s creation in God’s image is the basis of the general prohibition on the intentional taking of human life,” wrote Associate Justice Jay Mitchell, quoting a passage from Genesis.

“Therefore to kill man is to deface God’s image, and so injury is not only done to man, but also to God… Finally, the doctrine of the sanctity of life is rooted in the Sixth Commandment: “You shall not murder,” the Justice continued.

In a statement to Healthline Kelly Baden, the Vice President for Public Policy at the Guttmacher Institute, called the ruling “radical.”

“The Alabama ruling that embryos have the same legal rights as a person shows that our fundamental rights and bodily autonomy have been upended by the overturning of Roe v. Wade,” Baden said. “This radical concept of personhood has long been championed by the anti-abortion movement and is now one step closer to becoming reality. The potential impacts are vast—your ability to build a family, continue a healthy pregnancy, or choose abortion are all connected; judicial and legislative attacks on one impact all.”
Alabama court says, “all unborn children are children”

The Alabama Supreme Court ruling will allow the couples — James LePage and Emily LePage, William Tripp Fonde and Caroline Fonde, and Felicia Burdick-Aysenne and Scott Aysenne — to sue the Center for Reproductive Medicine and the Mobile Infirmary Association for the death of their embryos under Alabama’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act and seek damages for the loss of their frozen embryos.

The couples’ embryos were accidentally destroyed after a hospital patient wandered into the cryonursery where they were being preserved. The patient removed the embryos from the freezer and dropped them on the floor after they freeze-burned their hand, according to the ruling.

“The central question presented in these consolidated appeals, which involve the death of embryos kept in a cryogenic nursery, is whether the Act contains an unwritten exception to that rule for extrauterine children — that is, unborn children who are located outside of a biological uterus at the time they are killed,” the Alabama justice wrote.

“Under existing black-letter law, the answer to that question is no: the Wrongful Death of a Minor Act applies to all unborn children, regardless of their location.”
Current rules about embryos

Patients undergoing IVF may produce multiple viable embryos depending on how many eggs are successfully fertilized with sperm. The viable embryos are frozen until the patient undergoes implantation.

A patient only needs one successful embryo transfer to become pregnant but may choose to freeze any remaining embryos for subsequent pregnancies.

Patients have medical autonomy over their embryos, meaning they have the right to decide whether to continue storing the embryos, discard them, or donate them to research.

The Medical Association of the State of Alabama recently warned about the consequences for fertility treatments that could result if the state’s wrongful death statute was upheld in the lawsuit.

“The potential detrimental impact on IVF treatment in Alabama cannot be overstated,” according to a brief filed by the medical group.

“The increased exposure to wrongful death liability as advocated by the Appellants would – at best – substantially increase the costs associated with IVF. More ominously, the increased risk of legal exposure might result in Alabama’s fertility clinics shutting down and fertility specialists moving to other states to practice fertility medicine,” the group wrote....

[Sargent Smellibitz]

Yeah, get wealthier but what a piece of shit you'll be...

[asal]

So much worse than the bitcoin emperors.

[Shen Li]

I'm very much pro choice in the first term. However, notice that childless hypotwat imbASAL doesn't mention senate Democrats blocked a bill banning the barbaric practice of late term abortions.

[Sargent Smellibitz]

In what bizarro world could you even compare early adopting crypto currency holders with baby execution centre's marketing across state lines?

[Sargent Smellibitz]

I'm very much pro choice in the first term. However, notice that childless hypotwat imbASAL doesn't mention senate Democrats blocked a bill banning the hideous practice of late term abortions.

I'm against it all...but better right away than 4-9 months later.... like an unwanted merchandise return.

[Shen Li]

In what bizarro world could you even compare early adopting crypto currency holders with baby execution centre's marketing across state lines?

ImbASAL isn't just a isn't just a total moron and a lap dog for progressive authoritarianism. She is also heartless savage. Thank GAWD she never had kids.

[asal]

In what bizarro world could you even compare early adopting crypto currency holders with baby execution centre's marketing across state lines?

(IVF)In Vitro Fertilization.

Cryogenically store a bunch of embryos in Alabama.
Make bank claiming the embryos as dependents on your taxes.
You can put the money tax free in a funds that are meant for kids' education, I think, as well.

[asal]

Frick, Shen-Li's quoted position. China is where fetuses were aborted at any time under the one-child policy. Including "crying rooms" for babies to die in. Ya, that's whataboutism - but you're going on about decisions made by American Democrats when I'm a Canadian male and ... I forget what else was in your quoted post. Who says I'm for late term abortions anyways? Who would be? American Democrats, okay, find one and tell them they're wrong.

[Shen Li]

Frick, Shen-Li's quoted position. China is where fetuses were aborted at any time under the one-child policy. Including "crying rooms" for babies to die in. Ya, that's whataboutism - but you're going on about decisions made by American Democrats when I'm a Canadian male and ... I forget what else was in your quoted post. Who says I'm for late term abortions anyways? Who would be? American Democrats, okay, find one and tell them they're wrong.

What the fuck are you babbling about now you idiotic fucking troll. I haven't lived in China in a long time you racist waste of skin. Unlike you, I can form an opinion of my own.

You are a woman. A childless, brain dead loser of a woman, but still female. If you want to identify as something else now, that's your biz, but I'm not indulging your silly games.

My point was about your hypocrisy. As usual, it went right over your empty head.

[Sargent Smellibitz]

asal is a male? Like a real one???

Damn, I always thought it was an elderly woman with no offspring.

[Shen Li]

asal is a male? Like a real one???

Damn, I always thought it was an elderly woman with no offspring.

No, she is female. She used to suck a short bald poster's dick.